Apart from a Trump win, nothing will convince Trump fans that the election was not stolen

Good post. Scary but true. Biden wants to reunite us. Your post hints at the challenge he's facing. I sincerely wish him the best.

 

They are living prove of the old saying, "stupid is as stupid does".

 

Better go find your Dominionites. They accepted an invitation to testify to the quality and security of their system in the PA state House. They didn't show up ... instead they lawyered up. Can you explain why your peeps would run from the opportunity to defend your integrity against the likes of me?

 

I'm sure they had a scheduling conflict with the Illuminati.

 

He is the challenge he faces. He is the guy who, in the course of conspiring against Trump's transition on January 5, 2017, suggested Flynn be charged with violating the Logan Act for introducing himself to Ambassadors. We now know that Obama has spent the last 4 years committing treason in working to undermine the Trump Administration from the inside.

 

More conspiracy theories? Aren't you tired of that BS yet? I am.

 

I figured Biden would win, and am not surprised that he did.

The -real- question here is:
If the allegations made by the Trump campaign are true, do you think Biden should still take office?

 

Whoa, can you back the train up the track to where you saw those affidavits and point then out to the rest of us?

 

Facts that are inconvenient to you are not conspiracy theories. They are simply inconvenient facts.

 

That's all very well, but T Team don't appear to be seriously interested in proving fraud in court. It's just a show-pony thing to echo and magnify every little internet rumour, unproven or otherwise to create the impression that there was mass fraud.

Once chaos and confusion rein they will (and are) applying political pressure to overturn the election.

 

1. Flynn pled guilty in a court of law. No one forced him to do that. Flynn was involved in intelligence while a high ranking officer in the military. After retirement, he was frequently in the company of Russians closely connected with Putin. To make matters worse, he admitted receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars from them for something in return. I don't know what that something was, but it looks very fishy to me. Why are you blaming Biden? Shouldn't a V President of the U.S. be concerned if he knew any of these facts? Would you vote for a VP who didn't bother to question them?
2. Please enlighten me & our other forum readers on just how you came to know this. Trump constantly harassed Obama throughout his tenure of office with fake charges of being born in Kenya, & of being a practicing Muslim. There was zero evidence for either charge, & both were deliberate lies designed to harass Obama personally & politically. Both were based on nothing more than outright racism. I think your charges in your #2 above are pure propagandist BS. But I'm willing to listen to any hard evidence you can offer.

 

That sounds familiar. Can you say MUELLER ?

 

Right, because President Trump promised American people always to tell the truth!

 

I think it's only a subset of Trump supporters who actually still think he won the election, or would have if not for the phantom mass voter fraud.

Trump supporters who aren't on the false narrative bandwagon and just supported him because he was not a Democrat probably understand he legitimately lost, and while disappointed, do not believe there was a massive nationwide conspiracy, because they aren't nutters.

 

If Democrats just allow a proper investigation of suspected vote tampering to be done, then I'll be satisfied with the results. But Democrats seek to block any investigations.

 

Who specifically has blocked any voter fraud investigations?

 

I for one, don't think all of these lawsuits are going to make a difference in who's President. As far as the Presidency is concerned, Biden won the election. But I'm not opposed to the lawsuits going forward because I do believe, just like there is in nearly every national election, that there was voter fraud, and it is a stain in our system. So in so far that machine politics gets exposed and hopefully some people go to jail, I'm for it. But I'm thinking that the evidence of enough votes to overturn the election results just isn't there. If Trump's team can't make their case when they file their suit on Monday, Trump should just go ahead and concede.

 

Hmm ya sure?

55 Percent Of White Women, 18 Percent Of Black Men Voted For Donald Trump: Exit Poll

 

Will that be before or after Trump delivers proof of the millions of illegal votes for Hillary, that President Donald told us about in 2016?

 

It's a pretty big subset:

Forbes: 52% Of Republicans Think Trump ‘Rightfully Won’ Election, Poll Finds

 

Yes, it was Democrats who were very concerned, & wanted us to invest in election security, & to engage in planning to be able to most effectively deal with whatever might arise. I believe the Democratic House even passed a bill towards those ends. Did McConnell take up the issue? Did Trump put any emphasis on election security? I think he even de-emphasized it but, honestly, with all his autocratic moves, I can't specifically remember if it was by cutting funding, or replacing career professionals w/ lackeys, or merely not cooperating with the states to coordinate plans. The point is, 1) Democrats took it seriously &, therefore, as logic would dictate, pushed to beef things up; 2) Trump & Congressional Republicans ignored the Democrats' entreaties, & did nothing to prepare. So now, they want to complain that things were not run tightly enough for them?

By all credible reports-- including by Trump-appointed officials (Krebs) & Republican Secretary of State of, at least, Georgia-- it was an extremely clean election. Even exceeding the security of most elections. If Trump/Republicans wanted more than that, they had their chance. They've got no one to blame but themselves. And it's too late for a re-do, now. But really, to any person who's even mildly perceptive, it should be clear that this was all part of the plan. TRANSLATION, for those who are perceptively-challenged, is that Trump wanted lax security, in the hopes that any illegal actions would benefit him but, in the case of his loss, it would give more of a pretext to claim fraud: because he'd been so incompetent in ensuring a secure system!

 

People will do anything to win.

 

And don't forget how things are supposed to happen!

Additionally, I agree with your rationale regarding the electoral college (vs. a popular vote for President) but with one, big caveat: IF every state also awarded their electors proportionally, not winner-take-all (which, however, is a decision for each individual state).

 

So that would be 52% of 32% of registered voters - so what, about 17% of registered voters. Not a huge number, and certainly not a majority.

 

That's true, but here's another statistic from the poll:

"55% of respondents believe the presidential election was “legitimate and accurate,” including 16% of Republicans."

This means 45% of all respondents do not believe the election was legitimate and accurate. That is frightening and sad.