Aussie has the answer for US gun control

I think you have missed something of the first post I made-



its entire content....

 

Most probably overlap.

 

Talk about paranoia. I’ve never committed one violent crime in my life, and yet you seem really worried about what firearm I might own.

But let’s put things into perspective. 2017-18 we had 39,773 gun related deaths. 2/3rds were
suicides. That leaves 9,957. Out of those deaths 492 were ruled justified police shootings, and another 489 were accidental deaths. That leaves 8,976 gun deaths. Since I can’t find statics concerning deaths by firearms in self defense situations, we’ll just assume that
last number are gun related murders. So, in 2017-18, 0.00002756% of our total population were murdered by firearms.

Maybe you’ll take this into account next time you decide to label people paranoid, or nuts.

 

Your percentage figure is a factor of 100 out. There were around 17250 murders in total in 2017 which is 0.005% of your total population so using your argument, all murders should be ignored as well since the percentage is so small.

But your post actually highlights the paranoia of "gun nuts". According to many gun owners, they need their guns for self defense because all the criminals are carrying guns and murdering innocents.

To highlight the paranoia of the US in general, 8 people were killed in a terrorist attack by a Muslim in 2017 --> 0.000002% of the total population. (zero people killed in 201. Now reference the policies generated and the huge cost related to stopping the imaginary huge threat from Muslim terrorists

 

Your borders are ocean.

 

So, thanks for proving my point right. You fear what law abiding citizens own.

 

LOL. Point out any fear shown in my post

 

Your scorn is proof enough. You’re lashing out at people you don’t know, yet deem fit to lable mentally impaired. That speaks volumes about you.

 

LOL You still have not pointed out where in my post I showed any fear! It's you who highlighted the paranoia of "gun nuts"

 

And our beer is chilled...wtf all these excuses.

 

Meh, swing and a miss. Let me guess, are people who purchase car insurance paranoid as well? I read a article that the chances are slim that you’ll ever have to defend yourself. I seriously hope that is the case. But, if there is ever the remote possibility that god forbid a gun is needed, it will be there. The average response time by law enforcement is nine minutes. In the unfortunate event that your family is in dire straits, there’s a possibility that you’ll be able to even the odds. That’s not paranoia, that’s just common sense. But yeah, rabble rabble gun nuts drool drool, paranoia. That sums up your exchange with me.

 

We have way more people killed in cars and taking drugs than murdered by guns. England and Scotland disarmed it's people and now they are complaining of all the knife deaths. If a person has their mind set to kill people there are many ways to do it besides guns. England and France has quite a few killed by running them over in a vehicle. Maybe we need to concentrate more on what is driving people to kill more. I spent my young years in the 40's, 50's and 60's. In all that time, I only remember one school shooting in Texas. Today it's not uncommon to have two or three a year. Why? Back then I could buy a rifle from Sears with no background check. Guys would have guns in gun racks in the back window and drove them to school. Some schools had rifle training. Yet we didn't have the school shooting we have today. So maybe it's not the gun that's the problem, but the type of people we are bringing up today. Like about 70% of Black and 35% of White kids having no father figure for support and guidance. Maybe it also has to do with both parents working and kids getting their education on the streets. Or maybe it's the drugs effecting the minds of people. Or the video games that are so bloody it can make killing a little bit more normal. Back when I was growing up, kids had toy cap guns. We had three or four Westerns on the air every week. Gangster shows, yet we didn't have the killing of each other as we have today. Maybe we need to find out why and try and fix that and then maybe we can get back to normal and not try and take more of our civil rights away. The gun isn't the problem. It's the decay of American society. I have to worry when I see a snow flake go nuts at seeing someone wearing a MAGA hat. Or attacking the next door neighbor cutting his grass because he doesn't like his political views. I worry about people when I see them get upset of having our American flag in the class room. Maybe the news organizations also have to share a part of the blame by not being honest and working people up to a frenzy. One thing is for certain, the gun isn't to blame to what is happening in today's sick society. We have always had them with us, just not all the nuts around using them.

 

In fairness, the fear of home intrusion, car jacking and so on in a country full of firearms must be worry some.
I wonder how you would feel living in Oz for long enough to feel much more secure say 6 months or more.
Yes there are possibility of a violent event, that possibility is so remote most never think about it. As a trained person in security and other fields like prisons/ investigations I scan faces and potential conflicts but it hardly ever happens here.
The Port Arthur massacre taught us a lot, that most people didnt need firearms capable of such slaughter, but further, most didnt need a firearm at all.
The farmers and pro gunners protested, all calmed down and farmers could keep their guns but permits arent handed out easily.

So again to be fair the fear you guys have in a culture where your environment is such a contrast is understable. What isnt understandable to me is to counter the possibility of a breach of your security with ownership of some firearms causing mass shootings in split seconds.
Mefia voverage mentioned a few psges ago was an excellent idea-give the shooters/killers no name, no notoriety.
I cant see your culture changing short term, but in time a generation will emerge that wants change and we see it happening now with the teens from Florida.
It wont happen soon, but it will happen. Once this old generation of scared (or paid off) congresspeople die off.
So I'm beginning to understand, I hope you all visit a near gunless peaceful society and feel how great it is to feel safe. From the land if the free to the land of the safe.

 

What do you think I missed?

 

Tell us why we need more gun control laws.

 

Australians have access to firearms that are more than capable of being used to dramatic effect in mass shootings.
Why doesn't it happen there?

 

I live in Arizona, which is next to the Mexican border. Many of our homes here, including mine have steel screen doors. You can't kick them in like my regular door. They have two locks on them like our regular door. And they aren't sold in the local Home Depot across much of the country as they are here. They are great, because if someone comes to your door, you can open it and see and hear the person who's there without the worry of them attacking you. But because we live so close to the border and it's practically open to anyone wanting to cross it, Arizona has a lot more crime and killings by illegals coming into the country. Plus of course the normal crime and killing that goes along with all society across the country. You'd be hard pressed by many in these border states to give up their guns. It just isn't going to happen. As a matter of fact, in Arizona we have open and hidden carry here. I'm glad gun confiscation has worked for the Aussies, but with our second amendment and the type of people we have living here, I can never see America giving up their guns.

 

The only gun control laws I see we need is to limit the size of the magazine people can buy. Back ground checks on everyone buying a gun, even private sales. I don't own a ( assault rifle), although some might think it is, they aren't really. They are semi automatic and a hand gun can shot just as fast. Some has just as powerful of bullet as an assault rifle.

 

Attempting to save a single life is indeed futile when the efforts involved require the equivalent of billions of dollars, and deeply infringing on the rights and freedoms of others, all based and justified on the slim hope that it will make an unconfirmed, unproven difference.

Recognizing the true hopelessness of any given situation is a requirement.

 

Be sure to let everyone know when the nation of Australia becomes land-linked to what is regarded as the the most violent and corrupt nation in the world.

 

How do we access firearms here. Do you know the process? You obviously think it's easy.

https://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=49495

 

Hee, hee.
Arizona is quite a ways down the list.
Right in there with Idaho and Indiana.
It's a little strange, because I live in Arizona and don't share your fears.

 

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What size, and why that size?

This won't affect criminals, and cannot be enforced w/o registration.

All true.

 

You avoided the question put to you.
Australians have access to firearms that are more than capable of being used to dramatic effect in mass shootings.
Why doesn't it happen there?