Australia tells China "Screw off ! "

There is no similarity between what went on with Iraq and what is going on with China. The two situations could hardly be much different. But I see your head is planted firmly in the sand - or at least firmly in the past - and you have no intention to change that. Unfortunately.

 

helps pay off the debt and prevents future companies from doing the same - two benefits

no one is taxing an overseas company, but if an American company wants to become a foreign company, we can and should tax them to make that transition

 

suggesting taxing anti-American companies a fee to move their company out of America

 

Do you also support taxing anti-American consumers with a fee for buying foreign made goods (tariffs)?

 

yes I did, I have said many times I supported that and said that would be the one good thing of the Trump admin, he got republicans to support it too, something the left never could have got the right to support on their own

one of the reasons I supported Trump in the beginning is I thought he would address excessive foreign outsourcing and imports

sad thing is Trump is rolling over with his weak deal with China - of course now that he needs China to be the bad guy, maybe things will change, we will see

excessive foreign outsourcing to India is another National security risk that needs to be addressed

 

They are absolutely identical. The U.S. is grooming you to fear China in the same way it duped you into believing that Cuba (CIA/U.S. military intervention), Iran (CIA war), Vietnam (U.S. military war), Cambodia (U.S. military war), Laos (U.S. military war), Grenada (CIA/U.S. military war), Guatemala (CIA war), San Salvadore (CIA war), Nicaragua (CIA war), Chile (CIA war), Libya (CIA war), Irak (CIA/U.S. military war), Somalia (CIA/U.S. military intervention), Syria (CIA war), Palestine (CIA war), Afghanistan (U.S. military war), North Korea (CIA planned war), Russia (CIA planned war), Venezuela (CIA/U.S. military intervention), etc are all your "enemy". Each of them was and is a concocted "enemy" that has no intention of attacking the U.S.

Ho-ho! Whether yours is in the sand or on free-range matters not because your eyes and ears are welded shut.

 

Probably used for much more than that like finding its way into the pockets of certain people along the "kick-back" echelon.

I'm not sure about that. It depends upon the deal they strike up together.

We are talking about American companies that manufacture their product (or parts of it) overseas.

There are details that need to be discussed in order to understand what that means exactly.

The point is (my point) is that whatever arrangement the U.S. government makes with American companies they will both come out of it with fatter bank accounts while the American citizen gets screwed.

 

Russia does not really belong on the list - as we have never seriously considered initiating a war with Russia - since the Cuban Missile Crisis - and good that we did not annihilate each other. Russia is in a different league and does not belong on the list.

Nor does China - Yes - we are taught to fear both Russia and China - but we are not going to war with Russia or China - which contrary to what they want you to believe - as any mediocre student of Orwell can see..

If there is no "Boogeyman" it is hard to justify a 1.2 Trillion dollar annual spend.

The fear of China that is justified - is that they are a competitor for the global economic pie. It is Economic war that is being waged - way too little - and way to late - to the point where it is painful to watch.

While we have been focusing on useless - negative return on investment - regime change wars and "building up our Military" .. China and Russia (and well - everyone else for that matter) have been focusing on the economic war... and this was a huge blunder on the geopolitical chessboard -at least for the people of the US .. The war profiteers made out like bandits.

In 2000 the total military spend was roughly 300 Billion -- all in .. pensions , intelligence, everything military related. Under Bush that spend topped 900 Billion - Under Obama over 1 Trillion.

Had we maintained 2000 spend levels (5 x more than it takes to protect the homeland but ... OK) - increasing with inflation - we could have diverted 500 Billion/yr x 16 years = 8 Trillion - to infrastructure, technology, ramping up our economy to compete in the 3rd millennium - like most other nations were doing.

Instead we threw that money down the toilet .. for what ? Saddam is gone - but now we are allied with Al Qaeda in 2 wars.. my how a few short years changes relationships.

Russia forgot its global military domination ambitions and focused on niche technologies - missile technology being a main one. The Sunburn super sonic anti ship missiles was released in the 90's - and our Carriers have been doomed to obsolescence ever since - There was no defense back then - and this technology has advanced much quicker than the ability to defend.

Shortly after India -and then China - joined in the fun .. a 3 nation Consortia - sharing technology - Musk was right when he said that manned fighters are obsolete in a short period of time - the junkyards are going to be full of old equipment.

 

Australia is just a US pipsqueak making big noises. They pose zero threat to Chinese hegemony in the region.

And Australian people should know that they're being used as pawns on the US empire's chessboard. In the event of a war, Australia will bear the brunt of the Chinese military response.

 

oh, I thought you meant US companies that moved overseas to avoid US taxes

in that case, just tariffs are good enough, charge them a tax to bring their products back to the USA, even Trump made their products overseas vs using American workers, many American companies are not America first

 

You better hope it doesn't get too hot because the Chinese leadership will take you to the cleaners. You'll be begging for a reprieve.

 

Trump doesn't understand trade.

He thinks a "deficit" means "bad".

But it's only a deficit on paper. In reality, we get hundreds of billions of dollars worth of goods in exchange for the money we send to China. There is no way to deny that Chinese goods make our lives easier and better.

On top of that, China is lending American governments trillions of dollars. Without China, the US economy would collapse. How am I the only person who sees this?

 

You want to know the real reason why the US government is trying to block foreign companies from providing 5G networks to American consumers?

So that domestic ISP's like Verizon, AT&T, and Comcast can keep ripping you off with impunity.

 

I guess we were talking at cross purposes.

It's a bad deal for the American citizen (as well as mine) and it just isn't fair that the rich screw over their own countrymen and in time ruin the reputation of their own product. I suppose they don't give a damn for the future and just take as much as they can today.

 

Verizon is outsourcing a ton of labor and a large percentage of that is overseas. I don't think it will stay on top for long unless it changes their business model because the5G bandwidth that it is leasing has some seriously flawed properties. Current biggest threat is the Spring/T-Mobile merger but those companies are clowns historically.

Remember, up until a few years ago 45% of the company was owned by the French.

 

So we get rid of Microsoft, Tesla, SpaceX, Boeing, IBM, General Motors etc..
How much tax do they pay on their way to setting up business in China?
Based upon their annual earnings? Their total wealth?
How about we tax the owners of these companies? Would that include the
pension funds who own them? Bezos is worth about $130b. That would work
out to $400 per American? We fire 840,000 employees and lose how much
in taxes (this is in dispute) And after every American has spent his $400 check
some other nation now owns Amazon. Most rich people own a lot less.
Now repeat for each company. Americans could live off this for a while. And
then there's nothing left - no job, no welfare, dollar crashed etc.. You start
selling off all your assets - give the oil wells to Russia, scenic parks to the
Chinese. Borrow money from China to buy a Chinese made Pontiac. You get
the picture - a country that holds business and commerce in contempt winds
up being a nation in contempt.

 

they can do that with or without China 5G equipment, if they buy American or overseas does not change that

with China equipment, China writes the software and the patches, that is a national security risk

 

yep, sadly in today's world, a well-built item like a washing machine will go off the market as people do not have to buy it as often, they try to make items last only a few years - when I was growing up, things like that lasted forever - greed has taken over and could be repaired, now they sell the displays and other parts so costly, people prefer to just buy new

and the sad thing is, this applies to expensive things too - I would rather buy a new old washing machine if I could, they would last

 

People may disagree with your assessment of Trump in regards to his comprehension of economics, but there is no denying that China and the U.S. economy is deeply entwined -- when it should never have been. Still, there is no better time than now to begin the separation process since thanks to governments around the world hysterically shutting down the world itself is now in an economic depression. The damage is done.

Now it is time to find ways to turn that into national advantages of some sort. A little here and a little there can result in great things farther down the road. But in the short term, the economic pain is going to come rolling in no matter what.

 

Yes, it just gets worse and worse. I saw a film about OSRAM, the German light bulb manufacturer. As early as the 1940's they were making two qualities of light bulbs. The expensive ones that would last for a long time and the cheap ones that would only last half the time. It turns out that both were the exact same product but the cheap ones incorporated a device that would scuttle it after a short time.

EDIT: Even earlier than that.
http://economicstudents.com/2012/09/planned-obsolescence-the-light-bulb-conspiracy/

 

I see. So, you like socialism/communism and extreme Islamism and you think we are the bad guys for trying to stop their spread. You also think we have no business protecting our interests and our allies. I disagree.

 

Now that you realize that you've failed to motivate your paranoia about China being "your enemy" you have now changed the theme in trying to guess who I am, what I believe, and what I want from the world. I am very sorry to tell you but you are not doing very well in that subject either. But hey! You've kept the "imminent danger" rhetoric anyway. I expect you'll be changing the subject yet again very soon.

 

I responded to what you posted. If that is changing the subject you are the one who changed it.

 

Trade is good, excessive trade that effects American jobs to the level we see today is bad

same with India handle our Information systems, when the majority of that work is outsourced it becomes a problem

speed limits then need to be set up to keep things running smoothly

 

Just as clear: the Wuhan virus is the CCP virus of China.