Biden calls for "COMMON SENSE" gun laws

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  1. Hey Nonny Mouse

    Hey Nonny Mouse Well-Known Member

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    Books and newspapers have always been taxed. Radio and TV stations are taxed.
     
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    Guns and ammo are subject to sales taxes in the state or local jurisdictions the same as other products. What is being proposed here and by gun control advocates is a taxation scheme to make it economically infeasible to acquire guns and ammo and which will discriminately impact the poor. It’s a scheme to bypass Constitutional prohibitions by making the claim No one is excluded from gun ownership violating the 2A as long as they pay a huge tax (the hidden meaning, the rich elite can own guns but the a high tax effectively places gun ownership beyond the financial ability of the ‘lower’ classes)... reminds me of the hunting preserves restricted to royalty and the anti poaching laws in Europe in medieval times.
    Folks want to ban common ownership of firearms...then be honest about it, rather than deceptive schemes, try to pass an amendment repealing the 2A and good luck with that.
     
  3. TOG 6

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    Yup.
    And when you ask them if a similar tax on abortion violates the constitution, they suddenly disappear or try to change the subject.
     
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    wait a minute, or better a century ...

    which is the problem that Biden administration wants to solve about weapons?
    This is the main question. It's more important than "to be or not to be" ...

    From an external perspective I haven't understood what Biden wants to do about weapons in US.
    Have you got a clear idea?
     
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    He wants to rape the rights of law abiding gun owners.

    https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
     
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    Katrina demonstrated to me the way common sense, aka liberal, gun control works. The rich elite had their homes protected by the Blackwater PMC armed with AR-15s. Ordinary people had out-of-state police going door to door confiscating guns. I'm sure many of us remember the infamous Youtube video of the elderly woman tackled and her revolver confiscated. The lesson learned. Don't give up your firearms and don't report to the Superdome.

    Here is liberal gun control in action:
    http://intellectual-thoughts.com/Hurrican Katrina Gun Confiscatio.htm
     
  7. Turtledude

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    that will be stricken down and if not, there will be widespread non-compliance. police charged with enforcing such a law are going to be extremely fearful
     
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    Doesn't mean they won't do it. Non-compliance justifies progressively heavier measures.
     
  9. Galileo

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    "This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act."
    https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

    Which option would you choose?
     
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    3: Molon labe
     
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    Since the government will not give anything near the true value of the so called "assault weapon's" value and "registration" has historically been simply the first step toward confiscation, the actual choices for American citizens are to have them confiscated sooner, confiscated later or refuse to submit to these totalitarian measures altogether.

    In locations where citizens were given the choices of surrendering / registering or simply ignoring these draconian gun confiscation schemes, only a tiny fraction of chose to submit(1).
    I suspect that on a nationwide level, the results will remain the same: 95% will refuse to comply to these unconstitutional measures.


    (1) "Nearly One Million New Yorkers Didn't Register Their 'Assault Weapons'"
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankm...gister-their-assault-weapons/?sh=27f4bc90702f
     
  12. Big Richard

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    Sorry officers I lost all my rifles this morning down the hole as I was once fishing. Damndest thing, losing all
    13 of them in 100 ft of water.
     
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    refuse to comply.
     
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    should have read: down the hole as I was ice fishing. (Auto correct)
     
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    But he has advocated using a shotgun for self-defense:

    Biden said. "I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here ... put that double-barrelled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.'

    "I promise you, whoever's coming in is not going to," Biden said. "You don't need an AR-15 [assault rifle]. It's harder to aim. It's harder to use. And in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself.

    "Buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun," he said.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/20/joe-biden-buy-a-shotgun
     
  16. a better world

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    Freedom carries Rights and Responsibilities.

    In fact the 2nd amendment should have been repealed as soon as the US had its own military capable of defending the nation.

    The only purpose of the 2nd amendment now is to allow conservatives the delusional attempt to enforce their own ideology on the rest of the nation, and dress it up as "freedom".

    At least Biden is talking about 'common sense' gun laws.
     
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    lots of ignorance in that post. The main purpose of the second amendment was to recognize, guarantee and cement into our jurisprudential fabric, the natural right of self defense and provide for the means of that right to be enabled by imposition upon the federal government a negative restriction on its power to act. You prove that your OPPOSITION TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT is based to your animus and bias towards conservatives (rather than pretending you are trying to prevent violent crime) and you further prove you don't understand what the second amendment was intended to do
     
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    and those of us who have professional credentials in this area-or have had professional training in this area, just shake our heads at how stupid this advice was
     
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    Actually, he being not too bright, was advocating the misuse and illegal use of a firearm.

    But I would expect nothing less from a lying anti-gunner.
     
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    Totally false, the Second is applicable today if not more so than when it was written, with all the calls for defunding kaw enforcement and the unjust prosecution of those in law enforcement who use firearms properly and within the law, self defense becomes more and more important with each passing day.

    And the Second assures em I will be able to possess the tools needed to carry out that function.

    False again, there is no such as common sense gun laws.
     
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    Most of it willful.
     
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    Note my underlined; those calls are misplaced; law enforcement should always be properly equipped. Once law enforcement is devolved to individuals, it ceases to exist, resulting in anarchy.

    As for "self-defense", ie, of individuals against their own neighbors, you don't need military-grade weapons for that.

    And in the meantime, it might be worthwhile to consider WHY "you (your neighbors) are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones" etc, etc: D.J. Trump. "It's the economy, stupid" ....ie, the neoliberal, free market economic orthodoxy that tolerates entrenched unemployment and poverty.

    The 2nd amendment ensures anarchy, as noted above.

    Says the blind ideology of conservatism which insists poverty is the fault of its victims, as noted above.
     
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    What's wrong with this "military grade" weapon?

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    This one?

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    Interested in putting your case to Biden?

    I didn't think so...(since you no doubt agree with an earlier poster who said: "there is no such thing as common sense gun laws"....)
     
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    You didn't answer the question.
    These are military grade weapons Why aren't they suitable for home defense?
     
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