Biden calls for "COMMON SENSE" gun laws

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by joesnagg, Dec 15, 2020.

  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Where do you get off claiming such nonsense. We don't have "virtually unrestricted access to any type gun in the USA"/ That proves you are ignorant of what you are talking about. You also are dishonestly claiming that we are willing to accept high rates of gun violence-WRONG. You are making the specious argument that unless we support stupid and ineffective gun restrictions, we want or accept gun deaths.

    WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO TELL US WHAT A MILITARY GRADE weapon is?

    WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO TELL US YOUR LEVEL OF EXPERTISE that would allow you to tell us what we "NEED"?
     
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    Since Sandy Hook occurred on Obama-Biden's watch can we blame them?

    The liboturds tried to blame Trump for an attack that occurred in New Zealand 8700 miles from Washington. So why not?
     
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    When you are capable of debating and defending your delusional "sovereignty of the individual" ideology, which itself is the reason for the US having the highest incarceration rates in the world - and the largest prison population - then my expertise on what weapons you might need to defend yourself is totally inconsequential as far dealing with the world's greatest level of gun violence and gun deaths are concerned.
     
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    Right. “Shall not be Infringed”
     
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    No you don't...except by your own ideological constructs relating to yesterday's "socialism".

    Meanwhile the US has been forced to confront its own shortcomings, at the Alaska meeting; eg, the highest incarceration rates of any nation on the planet, which is a definite abuse of human rights, related the US's delusional "sovereignty of the individual" ideology.
     
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    (Keep talking amongst yourselves, as if PF is merely another Conservative twitter echo-chamber).

    As usual, you have it back to front....as expected with your delusional "sovereignty of the individual" ideology.

    Socialists don't see a NEED for guns, in a functional economy that works for all.
     
  7. a better world

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    So your "right" to a gun rates higher in your mind than the responsibility of everyone to work, at above poverty level. Pathetic.

    "What a Chimera is man! What a novelty, a monster, a chaos, a contradiction, a prodigy! Judge of all things, an imbecile worm; depository of truth, and sewer of error and doubt; the glory and refuse of the universe.”
    ― Blaise Pascal, which he wrote at a time before AI and IT can guarantee universal above poverty employment.

    It's easy to see what side of the ledger you sit, in Pascal's insightful estimation of "Man".
     
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    Shall not be Infringed. Right there in plain English so important the made it the 2nd. Was born with this right as is every American Citizen. Non revocable, unless you choose to revoke it. A Trump card which Trumps all else.
     
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    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

    The people, not the state, hold sovereignty.
     
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    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
    The people the state, hold sovereignty

    You STILL have not answered the question:
    These are military grade weapons Why aren't they suitable for home defense?
     
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    You do - because you ideology and your economic model run contrary to human nature, and you must use force to keep the dissenters in line.
    This is why you want to take our gus.
     
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    Mexico seems to escape your understanding so does Russia, South Africa, etc. If you are afraid to own a gun-Don't. But stop telling us we should not
     
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    ONCE AGAIN, WHAT IS A MILITARY "GRADE" WEAPON?

    Why are police in civilian environments issued things the anti gunners call "WEAPONS OF WAR"?
     
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    Mexico? An anarchic failed state......

    I repeat: YOUR "sovereignty of the individual" delusional ideology is responsible for the terrible economic situation in Mexico...and US gun and drugs trade which destroys many lives in addition to the lives lost to poverty itself. Not to mention unemployment, poverty and crime in central American states resulting in waves of refugees.

    The 2nd amendment is merely another manifestation of the fake "freedom" ideology - excruciating and ironic for a nation with the highest incarceration rates in the world.
     
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    Note my underlined: at least you are making progress, by relating ideology to an awareness of human nature.

    The problem is you are incapable of seeing human nature for what it is, BECAUSE instinct is unconscious.

    Instinctive (non-rational), competitive, self-interested behavior of individuals, is endowed by nature as part of survival mechanisms (of individual organisms) in a predatory world."

    The task for humans is to manage this instinct, on behalf of preserving life for the community, not just the individual organism.

    Given the highest incarceration rates and high gun violence and deaths in the US relative to other nations, it is reasonable to conclude the 2nd amendment is failing in its stated aim of "securing freedom".

     
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    See #115 above. The shame of high incarceration rates, minority poverty rates, and gun violence in the US is observed by the world.
     
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    fascism, statism, collectivism and all the other related diseases in the world, are responsible for millions upon millions of deaths. Why do you support such an ideology?
     
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    a lot of people don't know that cops are civilians, due in no small part to how much we militarize them over the rest of society
     
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    Who in their flipping minds cares about what the world thinks. The world sucks off the American tit for all it can get. Europe would piss all over us in a minute, then call us up as soon as Putin rattles his Sabre, to go save their lives.........yet again.
    You go ahead a worry about “what the wold thinks” because I have that Trump card.
     
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    Er.... Trump managed one term. Meanwhile China will overtake the US economy within our lifetimes, as demonstrated by its remarkable ability to develop its infrastructure while eradicating poverty faster than any other nation on the planet. At that point even YOU with your delusional "sovereignty of the individual" ideology will be forced to care about what the rest of the world thinks.

    Note: in our world based on MAD, you won't be able to go to war with China (as explicitly confirmed by Kissinger recently). MAD has changed everything. So while you think you can best defend yourself via the 2nd amendment, that belief will soon become truly obsolete....ironically, because the 2nd was originally supposed to guarantee 'the security of a free state".

    When China is bigger than the US, a UNSC without veto will be required more than ever (even though a true international rules-based system will finally expose your "sovereignty of the individual" delusion.

    (Btw, I liked Trump's anti-war instincts, even if they were backed by MAD. But his survival of the fittest instincts will soon be swept away into the dustbin of history, as we all have to prosper or perish together, in a globally interconnected economy, with impending global pollution and poverty-related health catastrophes at our door].
     
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    why does a certain poster evade such easy questions?
     
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    No socialism is good socialism. The first thing they want is a disarmed public so they can take control. And we're most certainly not caving in to that lunacy.
     
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    That's not how the instinct works.
    You want to change human nature, which has evolved over millions of years.
    Won't happen.
    That's why you know you need guns to keep the dissenters in line, and why you want to take the guns from those what would dissent.
    The 2nd Amendment was written with people like you in mind.
     
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    Unsupportable nonsense.
     
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    For this to happen the US has to agree to give up its veto.
    Good luck with that.
     
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