Bolton doesn't matter! Time to wrap this up!!

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  1. Mike12

    Mike12 Well-Known Member

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    The phone transcript was made public - NO QUID PRO QUO
    The Ukrainian president has categorically denied it!

    So, if the two parties who supposedly participated in it have denied it AND the phone transcripts show no evidence, WHY Is John Bolton's testimony even worthy of being heard?

    For starters, assume there was a quid pro quo and BOTH Trump and Zelensky are lying (unprovable but assume). SO WHAT? Joe Biden and his son did corrupt things or does a son making 100k a month because of his dad's position and being saved by his dad who abused power of VP to get prosecutor fired, not corrupt? SO WHAT if Trump asked Ukraine to look into this? SO WHAT? This would've NEVER been considered impeachable in the past, it's only now, due to TDS... a serious health crisis in america today.

    BUT, fact remains that the two parties involved deny it so what is the value of having John Bolton say that Trump said he wanted to freeze aid in exchange for Ukraine looking into Bidens' corrupt like actions? Then it's just Bolton's words vs Trump's and Zelensky's. GOP will remove Trump under this scenario? 99.9% chance that they do not. SO WHAT IS THE POINT?

    Romney and the other 2-3 senators are just worrying about their seats, that is all. THEY WILL NEVER VOTE YAY to remove Trump over this, they are cowardly just trying to figure out not what is the right thing to do (end this bogus political wet mess now) but what is right for them. Grow some cojones Romney and do the right thing!

    but hey, i wonder, maybe we do need the Bidens and Bolton to testify. Bolton will turn out to be a disappointment, a man saying X when Trump and Zelensky say Z... with no evidence to prove anything (and a nice juicy book to sell off this drama). Bidens? How will they explain all that corrupt like behavior? Maybe, oh maybe, we do need to hear from witnesses.
     
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    Isn't it funny how the dems always have a last minute bombshell witness.....lolz! Time to shut this clown show down!
     
  3. Rush_is_Right

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    Shut it down with acquittal and THEN investigate Burisma.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree, Republicans can even call the first one followed by Democrats until one side relents. Deal?
     
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    Rush_is_Right Well-Known Member

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    No witnesses. End the impeachment and then go after the real criminals.
     
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    You started off on the wrong foot. The “transcript” has not been made public.

    The document you’re referring to has that stamped on it. It’s not the transcript.

    The impression that it has been released is precisely how this whole affair has transpired, “take our word for it.”

    Saturday through Tuesday (today) was was a recitation of “take our word for it.”

    All hat and no cattle.

    As for the Biden’s where are the products of the FBI, DOJ, and House and Senate Republican investigative committee’s? Are they alleging Barr, Graham, and Nunes turned them down so they turned to Giuliani, Firtash, Furman, and Parnas? A kook, a Russian Oligarch dodging extradition, and a couple grifters?

    Unless you’re of the opinion that this country lacks the resources and expertise to conduct a thorough investigation the process itself suggests there is no there there.

    All this is another, “take our word for it”.
     
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    I was told by supporters of Biden that motive renders quid pro quo mute. This in response to his direct threat to pull aid in Ukraine.

    The Republicans don't have to prove no quid pro quo. The Democrats have to prove no legitimate motive to investigate corruption.

    They haven't.

    Instead they've claimed the extraordinary ability to read the president's mind. They've come to the conclusion, with no evidence, that Trump wanted Ukraine to make a false aligation against his opponent for the presidency.

    No where have they presented any evidence of this.
     
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    Why isn't the President still investigating Ukrainian corruption?
     
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    Didn't the Dems in concert with the dirty Mainstream media try and
    convince americans that the Transcript of that infamous call was tampered
    with.Did not House Mngr. Hakeem Jeffries { D-N.Y.} say just that on the
    Senate Floor.Where a Protestor screamed out during Jeffries attempts to
    lie about Trump and the Phone Transcript.Making the Case that the phone
    transcripts validate the House Impeachment case.
    Schumer also chimming-in with how the Transcript which was prepared
    by the White House " had absolutely validated " Pelosi's decision to
    Impeach.
    Whereas the GOP gave authority as to how it Vindicated Trump.
    It can't be both.That is the game these pig scum Democrats play.
    It's known as " Projection ".
     
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    There has been ample evidence presented by credible witnesses that the president violated the Constitution and his oath of office. The Republican effort to create a smokescreen of doubt and diversion (the Biden's??) may have satisfied Trump but not the public. Seventy-five percent of voters want to hear from the "horses mouth" and that is Bolton.

    Republican desire and commitment to acquit, if accomplished, will be like drinking poisoned moonshine. It will feel great at first, but it will kill you. The public will not forget or forgive this cowardly genuflection to an orange god.
     
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    That assumed of course that NYT didn't make the whole thing up out of whole cloth to give the few Trump hating Republican Senators cover, which let's face it wouldn't exactly come as a major surprise.
     
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    You mean send Mueller over there?
     
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    what is worse, a VP tying aid to the firing of a prosecutor investigating his son (who was making millions in a corrupt company just by being son of VP) or a president tying aid to the investigation of possible corruption?

    anyone who is even a little bit impartial knows that what biden did smells a lot worse than what trump allegedly did.

    and in the end, bolton’s testimony will just be his words against the two parties who supposedly were involved. Bolton has no proof that a quid pro quo actually happened because trump saying he wanted it doesn’t prove he actually did it. There are many many times when presidents say they want something, in a meeting with advisors, but don’t actually do it. This happens on a daily basis, pretty much. Without trump nor zelensky admitting there was one, bolton’s words really mean little.

    but even if it were true and suppose zelensky comes out and admits it, not even close to being impeachable. Biden’s actions smell really awful and simply asking ukraine to look into it can be argued, is the president’s duty. Joe biden is not above the law.. president trump wasn’t asking ukraine to fabricate a crime or do anything illegal, just maybe asked them to look into possible corruption, if there was none, then biden has nothing to worry about.

    all this is absolutely NOTHING, ZERO. It’s all about democrats fearing they can’t beat trump in 2020 and wanting to flip the senate. This is absolutely disgusting, an abuse of power by congress and should never be allowed again. The fact that the house impeached with lighting speed, conducted so many hearings behind closed doors, kept alleged whistleblower hidden, didn’t allow president to defend himself during house proceedings and refused to seek witnesses as the constitution allows it, the impeachment should be repudiated and thrown out of the senate so we make it clear that these shams should not be taken lightly.
     
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    I think it more than fairly obvious how to set up a poll and get
    a high percentage.Just have a Poll asking - Do you think it fair
    to hear witnesses ?
    If that is so ... Then The Dems Broke with the polling.
    Because the House Democrats refused any and all Republican
    witnesses called for.Whatever Witnesses { 3 ? } Republicans used were
    those the Democrats called for.
     
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    There's not many paying attention to the trial.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/divided-america-voters-tuning-impeachment-194643325.html

    seems close to everyone had their minds made up about Trump way before the official hearing began back on 13 Nov and the rest just don't give a dang. This whole thing has been way too partisan for my blood, I've had it on ignore for, well, ever since the Democrats started talking impeachment the day after the election. Only they had to wait for them to take control of the house to actually do it.
     
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    lol so dumb. Trump denies it the same way any other crook would plead not guilty. And Zelensky is a hostage. He’ll say whatever it takes to keep that aid coming. His country can’t afford to make an enemy of the president of the United States.

    The phone transcripts show plenty of evidence. Admittedly, none of the evidence in the transcript is conclusive. But that just means that we can’t rely on the transcript on its own as evidence of Trump’s intent. In your mind that means the transcript serves no purpose. But that’s just your knowledge gap speaking.
     
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    I remember saying months ago that this was going to blow up in the Dems faces. Before the whistleblower news broke, nobody was thinking about or talking about Ukraine or the Biden's corrupt behavior. Now they are. The Dems have managed to besmirch their own leading candidate for president, and who do they have to blame? Themselves.

    If Romney and the other weak Republicans can't bring themselves to vote against witnesses, McConnell is going to insist on a tit for tat on witnesses. You want Bolton? We want Hunter Biden. And if the Biden's refuse, there will be no deal, and the wavering Republicans will be able to vote 'No' on witnesses on the grounds of fairness. Trump's attorneys are very sharp. They would destroy Hunter Biden or Joe Biden, who by the way, could also be called to testify.
     
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    Me thinks you are trying to convince yourself.............cuz you aren't convincing anyone else with that misrepresentation.
     
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    I mean if it is important and above board he should not have dropped it.
     
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    What's the problem here? Republicans can call anyone they want. They can just go ahead and call Hunter Biden if that's their thing. Since the Biden's have been investigated and exonerated of any wrong doing it could blow up in their faces, but go for it.

    So, don't keep bugging us about why can't Republicans call Biden if the Dems call Bolton? We just said they could. You have trouble accepting "yes?" A better question is why don't they?

    The BIG question is ,"What are Republicans hiding?"
     
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    motive for investigation is irrelevant. If you have a legitimate reason to rob a bank (your family is starving) that doesn't make you immune to prosecution for it.
     
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    here's why you need to get out of the right wing echo chamber regarding your news. Biden did no such thing. He was acting at the behest of the president (Obama) and the European union to have removed a corrupt prosecutor. There was no investigation into his son. That is a right wing lie you have swallowed, and gotten some on your chin.
     
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    You keep reiterating this right wing, FOX talking point but when pressed to tell us what the behavior might be, we hear crickets. Please give us the details.
     
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    No one has ever stopped any investigation on the subject the ones investigating have not found anything.
     
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    Bolton has directly contradicted President Trump on a key point of his defense. One of them is probably not telling the truth. Don't you think that is something we should find out? Don't you feel the American voter has a right to know if the President lied or as he has claimed, Bolton is lying. It seems to me that many of the same people who have sworn to be impartial jurors here are in a hurry to end this, are they afraid of something?
     

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