boy-scouts-will-allow-transgender-boys

What does that have to do with the Boy Scouts?

 

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...atrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

 

You are giving me one person, not an organization. I didn't ask for someone with a fringe opinion. I'm asking for the opinion of the mental health community at large. You attempted to use the American Psychiatric Association to label transgender as a mental disorder. Here is what they actually have to say about the subject:

"DSM-5 aims to avoid stigma and ensure clinical care for individuals who see and feel themselves to be a different gender than their assigned gender. It replaces the diagnostic name “gender identity disorder” with “gender dysphoria,” as well as makes other important clarifications in the criteria. It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."

The treatment hey suggest involves alleviating the distress, not enforcing gender conformity.

 

Please copy and post the first paragraph from my link. Thanks. That one person you dismiss is an expert and distinguished in his field. This is a classic tactic of the left, dismiss anyone that disagrees.

 

The Scout Law is: “ A Scout is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent. ”

 

Yes, agree. And your point is?

 

I'm not going to help you shift goalposts, sorry. I can introduce you to a distinguished expert in the field of physics who thinks that he can telepathically communicate with electrons. His fringe idea doesn't magically become mainstream just because he was accomplished in his other research.

I'm not on the left; I'm a libertarian. And the only thing I'm dismissing is your claims about the mental health community. I'm not dismissing it because I disagree, I'm dismissing it because it is false.

The notion that it is an illness is a fringe theory.

 

agree... if you want your kids to go to a religious group, I would say do that through your church, ect.....

those that are not looking for a religious group can join those.. all about choice

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I gave you a distinguished psychiatrist, exactly what you asked for, but you didn't think I could, so now you're gonna muddy the water, another leftist tactic. Carry on. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...atrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

 

I'm sure the BSA was a solely Christian organization at some point in the past. It hasn't been that for decades, though. When I joined in the 80s, the Scout Handbook openly talked about Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, Unitarian, Hindu, Bahai, etc. scouts.

 

The Boy Scouts have always been Christian values centered. The entire purpose of the left is bring down everything about traditional American Christian institutions.

 

In 1907, Robert Baden-Powell, founded the Scouting movement in England using elements of Seton's works among other influences. Several Scout programs for boys started independently in the US. (see Scouting in the United States). Many of these Scout programs in the US merged with the BSA.

All this is richly ironic in view of the fact that the founder of the Boy Scouts, Robert Stephenson Smyth Baden-Powell (raised to the peerage as Lord Baden-Powell) was in probability a gay man himself — though closeted, of course, considering the circumstances.

A Victorian military hero who skyrocketed to fame after his valiant defense of the besieged city of Mafeking during the Second Boer War, Baden-Powell was one of the British Empire’s most adulated soldiers, looked to as the very model of muscular Christianity.

Baden-Powell, the author of the hugely popular and influential “Scouting for Boys” (190, inspired a national cult of manliness even as he entertained serious worry about his own sexuality.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/20/opinion/scoutings-gay-founder.html

 

It is. The unit can decide who is or isn't a member of their unit. I'm a Boy Scout leader, and we have refused to take boys in our unit--they were boys who had been in other units and were behavior problems in their old unit (as well as being known in our community as trouble), so we didn't take them. Basically, this allows a unit to take a girl who has delusions that she's a boy into the unit. It's going to cause complications and headaches.

 

That is not what I asked for. Please read what I actually asked for instead of misrepresenting my statements and trying to avoid debate and discussion with leftbaiting.

 

Anyone who doubts BSA's strong roots in Christianity, and patriotism, need only read the first line of the scouts oath: On my honor, I will do my best, to do my duty to God and my country, and obey the scouts law.

 

The Boy Scouts, for the most part, are religious groups. My Troop is sponsored by my Church, and is part of our Church. One of the requirements of BSA is to do your duty to God. That said, your duty to God can be interpreted in many ways.

 

Whatever. Carry on.

 

Well, BSA has never really been solely Christian. It has been solely religious. Scouts are required to have some kind of belief in God, although that can be interpreted, IMHO, in any way except for outright atheism.

 

Yes, and that confirms my point. The goal of the left is to bring down traditional American Christian institutions.

 

One of these things is not like the other. One of these things is just not the same.

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If the BSA were a Christian institution, you might have a point. It isn't. As with the mental health community, you are commenting about an organization you know very little about.

 

Yep, which is exactly what the BSA has said for quite some time.

 

I gave you a distinguished psychiatrist that is the head of a prestigious hospital. You don't like what he says because he agrees with me. You dismiss him and me because we agree and disagree with you. Oh well, carry on.

 

You tried shifting goalposts when I called you out on misrepresenting the mental health community. The fact is that anyone diagnosing transgender as a mental disorder is doing so on the medical fringe. Period.

 

Bullcorn. I gave you a distinguished psychiatrist that is the head of a prestigious hospital. Nothing fringe about it. I didn't misrepresent anything. You flopped, so now you're still doing your best to dismiss. Carry on.

 

Churches have fought back in 2 ways:

Many have dropped having a resident Boy Scout Troop and joined religious programs such as the Awana program which can be modeled to incorporate typical scouting activities (camping, outdoor skills, sports, citizenship, awards, leadership, etc) into a clearly religious environment.

Many churches keep the resident Scouting program but ignore the various "diversity" and PC overlay. Since the membership of the Scout program in these churches is the patriotic American who supports real American values, ignoring the PC stuff is not a problem. Its one thing for the national scouting bureaucracy to make a declaration, its quite another when it gets to the grass roots.