boy-scouts-will-allow-transgender-boys

Seems to have nothing to do with the Boy Scouts.

 

When they force themselves on an organization you have no choice.

Glad we agree on that.

 

Actually it has everything to do with it since this is about forcing disturbed children into the scouts you must evaluate the reasons why they should be allowed to force their alternate reality on other real boys.

Believing you are a boy when you are biologically a girl is not science, its faith. And you should not be allowed to force your belief on others.

 

I disagree. This is nothing more than a derogatory distraction from thenpoint, which is the Boy Scouts are accepting trqnsgender children, which seems in line with their claimed values.

 

Then explain the science behind a child believing her sex has changed. Go ahead. Can't wait to hear this.

 

Why? It was not something I was discussing nor does it have anything to do with the thread topic.

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Why? It was not something I was discussing nor does it have anything to do with the thread topic.

 

I don't really think they can. At least not without shredding the first amendment. BSA is a private organization with membership. They should be allowed to deny membership to anybody for any reason.

I personally think that applying such..."treatment" to children as young as 4 5 or 6 years of age is deranged.

I find the diagnosis of "gender disphoria" in a child that young to be premature. Children develop at different rates. I'd have to see profound evidence that a child even a 12 year old can be gender disphoric before is even budge on the subject.

P. S. I think you and I would agree on a lot of things. I tend to be more right leaning on things, and from your posting you seem to be largely conservative.

 

So you can't. Thought so.

 

If that were true gay troop leaders would not have been forced upon them as well.

Hopelessly so. But you will find me defending homosexuality when the people vote it in. Any state or legislative branch or proposition voted by the people that gives new law that benefits homosexuals I have no problem with whatsoever. That is how the system is supposed to work.

My only issue is when the law is superseded by a judge or punishing people with a private business in performing a ceremony that is against their religious beliefs.

We have moved from the people who would punish those who were homosexual which is wrong to punishing people who do not agree with homosexuality. Both extremes are wrong.

 

Who forced gay leaders on them?

I agree.

I believe in a free market.

I agree.

 

In my experience, one does not truly know if they are trans or gay etc until after puberty...

 

Well, they haven't been forced on any troops. The troop and charter organization (organization that sponsors the unit) choose the troop leaders. If a church-based or any other troop wants to reject a leader for ANY reason (besides race), they can.

 

Was culture better when blacks were separated?
When women couldn't vote?
When it was fairly common to beat your wife if she didn't do her spousal duties?
A collapse of culture is subjective.

Perhaps a more accurate description is a change in culture.
Which has happened since the dawn of mankind.

 

She speaks of people feeling alienated from rest of society, for a variety of reasons. This feeling of alienation causes some people to engage in odd and self destructive behavior. Though certainly some homsexuals and transgenders, and (add identity here), persons are born that way. Many are victims of a sociopathic environment that they have no control over. They seem to be trying to get some control. Paglia frames this as what happens in decadent societies, but perhaps it is not decadence, but a pervasive unhealthy aspects of society.

It is not normal to ink you body up, it is not normal to pierce you body all over, it is not normal to be homosexual, it is not normal to dress as the opposite gender, it is not normal to engage in extreme perverse sexual activities.

These not the cause, but are symptoms of social sickness.

 

At one time it wasn't normal for blacks and whites to share like facilities.
For women to vote.
To have sex unless under the covers and the lights out.
Yes, things change.

 

Offering as an example social evils that where corrected is not a reason to rationalize perversity.

 

I'm so confused. Does this mean that girls who think they are boys are going to be allowed? Or does this mean that boys who think they're girls are going to be included?

If it's girls, do the boys then have to lower their standards to include them? or since they are transitional, do the same standards apply?

 

Well, boys who think they are girls have never been not allowed--they just wouldn't want to join.
It's girls who think they are boys that are newly allowed.

The physical standards for Boy Scouts aren't all that demanding. Girls should be capable of all of them. Most involve making yourself better, not absolute standards, and they have been that way since at least the 1970s.

 

I'm sorry, but in what specific society, and at what particular time, was body art and piercing 'not normal'? Whatever and whenever that is, is most definitely the aberration. Both practices have been commonplace, around the world, for the entirety of humanity's existence.

Ditto long hair and 'skirts' for men. Very much the norm throughout human history.

 

You are speaking of cultural norms in history and locals and certainly can't be argued with. There are reasons for the cultural norms we currently have such as men and woman separate bathrooms. The establishment to effort normalize the breaking down of these logical boundaries is insidious, and has nothing to do with slavery or the right to vote, or some black and white 1950's television show that needs deconstructing.

When people feel alienated, and then act out against this feeling by choosing to be "wierd", it indicates that there is a larger societal problem.

 

Perversity is in the eyes of the beholder. Entirely subjective.
Old people can only see most new things as perverse.
Religious people see everything outside their indoctrination as perverse.
Fortunately, the old die off and the religious are becoming irrelevant with 2000 yr old rules.

 

If blacks did act out, if women didn't act out. We'd still be separate and women still wouldn't vote.

 

The BSA Was always open to youth with mental and physical illnesses. I worked with units and boys who has Tourette's syndrome autism, bipolar disorders and various other issues. They loved boy scouts because while they were there they were just boys and treated like every other boy.

Having a mental illness is no reason to keep a child out of the BSA.

 

I was a boy scout, am adult leader and an employee for some time. It was about team work, unison, making friends (for life, still have a couple BSA friends from my youth) and good citizenship.