BREAKING: Trump’s First Legislative Effort Fails as G.O.P. Pulls Bill to Repeal Obamacare

We're going to have this same conversation in 2018 and 2020...

...when you lose again.

 

NO, this is about Trump's Big Fat Mouth and empty promises .."Oh , we'll have a GREAT FANTASTIC health care plan within a week ! Maybe with the HOUR!!!"""


This is about Trump being so stupid that he actually said, Ya know this health care thing is more complicated than anyone knows"...HOW STUPID!
HE was the only person on earth who didn't know it was complicated.
He thought he could spout off his DELICATE LITTLE PURSED LIPS and like magic his serfs obey and pass his mess of a health care plan....it's ALL on HIM.


This was not a "failure of process" this was constituents of Republicans saying don't dump your plan on us or you won't be back.

 

Of course I didn't expect a Trump supporter to actually expect his leader to lead.......

Ya know, you don't have to pass the buck for Trump, he's quite capable of NEVER TAKING PERSONAL RESPONSIBITY all by himself...

 

It was not illegal for Trump and his staff to write a bill and send it to Congress for approval. Trump said many times that he had a bill that would provide insurance for everyone - it would be beautiful.

Then he found out how "complicated" it really was and let the Republicans in the House come up with a bill that the Republicans in the House would not pass.

His bravado, his ignorance, his ability to make deals and his leadership all went down the drain. And then he whined because no Democrats voted for the bill.

Your President didn't think it sucked - he pushed for it's passage. So, I guess you know more about the subject than he does. Well, maybe you do.


Maybe Trump should have had Tony Schwartz write the Bill.

 

You think a 7 year old poll supports your contention?

OTOH, single payer for minimum standard healthcare policy sounds like an excellent reset.

 

To put it into something you can relate to:

• In the House of Commons you have Liberals and Conservatives.
• Some years ago the Liberals, who then held a majority of seats, passed a Bill (ACA).
• For seven years the Conservatives wanted to repeal ACA but didn't have enough votes.
• Then the Conservatives gained control.
• The Conservatives introduced their version of the Bill (AHCA).
• Since they had a majority, AHCA would have passed if every Conservative voted for it.
• 35 Conservatives said they would not vote for it.
• The Bill was never brought up for a vote because Leadership realized it would not pass.
• The result is that ACA is still the Law of the Land.

The House of Lords would also have had to pass the Bill.
It was obvious that the House of Lords would not have passed the Bill.

The whole thing was theater (theatre) to appease the seven years of Bull$hit promises made by Conservatives to their supporters.

see above.

 

How do you get to be on both Medicare and Medicaid?

 

From it's inception, Democrats tried to get Republican input. The Republicans refused to get involved. ACA was passed in 2009. Like all major bills everyone knew it would need adjustments from time to time. For seven years, Republicans failed to work with Democrats to enhance the Bill. For seven years, Republicans "tried" to repeal the Bill with about 60 Bills they knew Obama would not sign.

Now, tell me again, who dumped what into whose lap?

 

On Thursday, Ryan cancelled the vote and told Trump there were not enough votes to pass the Bill. Trump convinced himself he could "persuade" the Freedom Caucus to see it His way and told Ryan to bring it to a vote on Friday.

If you are not a "Washington insider" you should listen to "Washington insiders" when they tell you you are going to lose. Trump's EGO told him His Will Be Done. Ooops.

 

You enroll in Medicare at the time of getting Social Security. You qualify for state medicaid.

 

FOLKS, the above is not true. I watched it till I could not stand it the actual ACA hearings. Vote after vote by the Democrats shut the republicans down. Democrats never to this day admit the law is flawed. That is why they protect it.

 

Trump is right, this healthcare stuff is more complicated than we realize. Ideologically it is about creating or expanding an entitlement which will require very substantially higher taxes to subsidize. This "unfunded mandate" is a serious problem since simple demographics (low birth rate and increased longevity) means the costs of healthcare will continue to increase as the taxpayers subsidizing this diminish. These demographic trends, the growing costs and diminishing taxpayer base motivate the sensible conservative effort to reduce coverage. Alas, Obamacare stumbles on, "a great victory for the people" according to Pelosi, in a few years the taxes needed to keep tens of millions of retired baby boomers alive with their chronic medical conditions and the prospect advances in medical technology will keep them alive decades longer will make Obamacare impossible to sustain on the backs of a diminishing workforce. It is a difficult choice, life is priceless, but at some point there is a limit to what one can afford to sacrifice in order to keep someone alive.

Obamacare was crafted with deceptive figures, the demographic problem remains its achiles heel, the trainwreck can be delayed but eventually there will be wards full of octogenarians on life support and not enough money to keep them alive.

 

You're correct, Ryan' an insider and should have stood his ground rather then proceed. He did not.

 

"We will have so much winning if I get elected
that you may get bored with winning!"


"Are we bored yet?"​

 

You're making up what he said. He NEVER wrote anything. Try again.

And if Obamacare was good we wouldn't even be having the conversation.

 

speaking of a lardass, how did Hillarycare fair in 1993-1994 when the Dems contolled house and senate by even bigger margins. Not a single part of Hillary's universal health plan passed. Or maybe it was because the president was her draft dodger in chief husband?

 

'ObamaCare' (neé 'RomneyCare') was a compromise with the parasitic privateers whose powerful political lobby managed to preserve their pound of flesh - profit margins amidst repeated duplication of lavish executive salaries, marketing and advertising budgets, payrolls, agency commissions, etc., etc., etc. - bottom-line bureaucrats seizing a sizable chunk of every US health care dollar, self-advantaging interlopers that insinuate themselves into the health care process whist treating and/or curing no one.

Cut out the gorging middle man, maximize the size of the risk pool, consolidate the administrative costs, eliminate the $250 billion annual taxpayer subsidy that sustained employer-administered plans that impose the burden of administration upon private businesses, advantage economy of scale ... especially in freeing Medicare to negotiate Rx prices for which Americans are now forced to pay considerably more than they do in any other nation on earth.

or

... allow Americans who cannot afford medical treatment to suffer and die - or just dump their costs on the taxpayer.


Multiple advanced nations have managed to cover everyone at around half the cost, but adopting the proven superior paradigm would mean accepting pragmatism over ideology.

Perish the thought.

 

Avoidance of current matters is readily afforded by such an historical retreat.

Nixon's plan certainly provides a nostalgic diversion worthy of reminiscence:

Early last year, I directed the Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare to prepare a new and improved plan for comprehensive health insurance. That plan, as I indicated in my State of the Union message, has been developed and I am presenting it to the Congress today. I urge its enactment as soon as possible.

The plan is organized around seven principles:

First, it offers every American an opportunity to obtain a balanced, comprehensive range of health insurance benefits;

Second, it will cost no American more than he can afford to pay;
Third, it builds on the strength and diversity of our existing public and private systems of health financing and harmonizes them into an overall system;

Fourth, it uses public funds only where needed and requires no new Federal taxes;

Fifth, it would maintain freedom of choice by patients and ensure that doctors work for their patient, not for the Federal Government.

Sixth, it encourages more effective use of our health care resources;

And finally, it is organized so that all parties would have a direct stake in making the system work–consumer, provider, insurer, State governments and the Federal Government.

http://khn.org/news/nixon-proposal/​

 

Come on Natty, the guy was mocking Trump for not getting his health care planned even though he had the house and senate. Clinton had the same advantage in 1993-1994 and couldn't pass it. I suppose if she would not have revealed the plan until it passed, or if she lied to the American people about the benefits, or if she would have bribed senators, she might have been as successful as Obama.

Spare me your crappy musings on the beauty of a national health plan .It's not the panacea you think.You were more entertaining in your attempts at exposing Trump as a card carrying member of Stormfront

 

TrumpCare was to be "something terrific!" that would cover "everybody!" The stinker the GOP was trying to ram through did not remotely fill that Rx. Their defeating themselves could well be a blessing in disguise.

You are confused. The neo-nazi Daily Stormer is a rabid fan of their "Glorious Leader", but he has never openly welcomed their support.

 

I'm sure you doubt it, but there is an awful lot of empirical evidence to the contrary.

Even some of the basics seem to confound you.

 

My first contact with an Ortho doctor for my knee was on 01/31. There were appts with pain mgt, MRI and Ortho, my knee was replaced last Tuesday 03/21. If I lived in Canada with single payer I'd be waiting till November 17th for the surgery. Why on Earth do you think that's better. Single payer health care would be like going to a health care DMV. Anything the Government gets involved in mostly turns out to be a mess, I hold up Obama Care as a prime example.

 

He may never have openly welcomed their support but he still has it....that an organization like Daily Stormer LIKES Trump says it all......

 

You R's hold all the power and still can't take responsibility for ****. Must be your Christian value's? Huh.

 

Now you're re-writing history. The Democrats didn't want any Republican input. The way things are working out is the way they were meant to. When Obama Care crashes and burns, both side will be motivated to do what they should have done back in 2010. Put the American people FIRST not the special interests on both sides. The best reform the American people can demand would be LOBBYING reform. There is WAY too much money being slung around DC, to the detriment of the taxpayers. I've had some time on my hands and think the Republicans bill stinks just as bad as Obama Care.