BREAKING: Trump’s First Legislative Effort Fails as G.O.P. Pulls Bill to Repeal Obamacare

I don't know why Democrats are dancing in the streets over a 17 day process. Trump and Ryan should not have acted like game over. I think this pleased the media. They gloat over it daily.

 

I won't. Block grants in CA still will mean CA pays it all. That is what Democrats do. We have Jerry Brown not Joe Manchin.

 

No that is not what block grant means. BY DEFINITION a block grant is money from the federal government. It will mean cuts have to be made in Medi-Cal....and you could be first on the chopping block

 

California will pick all of it up. They will add to the block grants. Maybe you think CA democrats would shut er down. I don't think so.

 

And what will they cut to do it? Will they raise your taxes? Maybe cut other services you want. The math always comes out the same. Now you seem to be on the side of the democrats that have to save you from the ravages of Trump. You're welcome.

 

California is in deep trouble and they have themselves to blame. Now they will be losing Federal money and the Federal Government is going to pull the funding they already paid. California is going to owe even more money.

 

If Trump gets his way they will cut Medi-Cal BIG TIME

 

Jerry Brown can jam that train up his bum and pay for my health care. LOL

 

I bet you never really thought about this. They could EASILY eliminate Medi-Cal for your group. And if you get a major illness everything you have ever worked for in your life could be gone. Thanks to Trump

 

Medi-cal does not actually pay all that much. Brown can afford it. LOL

 

The real question is ....Can you? I think you are starting to get a little worried.

 

You better PRAY the DEMOCRATS bail you out!

 

We aren't the rest of the world and not many Americans want to pay 40% tax rates along with 12% Social Insurance rates to an inept government which will dictate to them their allowable health care.

 

No one says we have to pay those rates. As you say....we are not them

 

Because this effectively killed a bill that would have led to higher premiums, lower rates of insured, and less benefits.

Plus, it demonstrated the ineptitude and lack of resolve for the new President precisely at a time when he is most likely to succeed.

 

That is what is cost to do what they do which is what some want.

 

A good case can be made that the catastrophic collapse of the GOP's jihad against the Affordable Care Act saved the Novelty Act's presidency.

Amidst plummeting approval, unconstitutional executive orders that attempt to finesse his scheme to "ban Muslims", unpopular corporate-appeasing agendas (predicated upon climate change denial) and multiple inquiries into Russian collusion in his election, such a blatant betrayal of a key segment of his voters - poorer, older, less-educated White folks - could well have left him impotent, with only his cult left to worship him.

The berserkers in the House may have saved Trump (who had promised to cover "everybody.")

Unlike the ideological dogmatists in the GOP, he had previously exhibited a pragmatic grasp of the obvious, and paid lip service to their zealotry as a vapid gesture of political expediency.

He seems eager to move on - with nary a pissytweet.

Hardly surprising.

 

No it will not

 

By deadbeats I mean the millions of American citizens who do not buy health insurance. These people go to emergency rooms following accidents or sudden onset illnesses. Often these people get admitted and get in-hospital treatments. This is exactly the reason that the mandate was included in ACA. I've had insurance all my life. I am very much aware that all healthcare costs are higher because I have been subsidizing deadbeats.

No. But I don't agree with your assessment that ACA is bankrupting the entire nation. Nor do I agree that ACA made healthcare unaffordable to the middle class.

Many years ago Unions starting providing healthcare to their members. To counter the effects of unions, businesses provided healthcare to employees. With the demise of Unions, businesses cut back or eliminated healthcare coverage. This affected the "middle class" more than any other group.

ACA is definitely in need of adjustments. Everyone in Congress knew that. Yet for seven years the Republicans refused to allow any significant changes. They got on a Repeal Obamacare train and didn't give a damn about the consequences.

The Bill they put out was a diversion to appease some of their voters. They may have believed it would pass the House. They knew it would never pass the Senate. Now Trump is calling for help from the Democrats. If Congress really wants to put the interests of the majority of Americans first, they will make the needed adjustments to ACA.

All other major Western Countries have been able to figure out how to provide healthcare to their citizens - yet "The Greatest Country" can't. As DT would say: Sad.

 

What, exactly does "a corporate presence" mean?

 

In your haste to make silly posts, you forget that atheists don't get down on their knees for any supernatural entities. That's reserved for the religious.

That being said, I just remembered we are in a thread about healthcare. How the hell did we get into a discussion about religion? So I back-tracked the links. It all started with your post 318 where you stated:

I'll not peruse this line any further.

 

Back to the beginning:

From the beginning you have been claiming that, based on what you saw on CSPAN, that no Republican amendments were included in ACA.

Republican Lisa Murkowsi of Alaska says you are wrong.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...7/this_is_what_bipartisanship_looks_like.html

Republican Senators Richard Burr, Mike Enzi and Judd Gregg say you are wrong.

As I said, you might try reading instead of relying on what you remember seeing on CSPAN eight years ago.

 

Ironic, ain't it.

 

It kinda makes me wonder.

I wonder if the Congressional Republicans who drafted the Bill did so knowing that the House Freedom Caucus would never vote for it, and KNOWING that the Senate would NEVER vote for it.

I wonder if most Congressional Republicans realize that ACA is really not as bad as they have been screaming about for the past seven years.

After all, ACA was the glue that got them the House and the Senate and the Presidency - mission accomplished.

In a little while, with the support of the Democrats, they will quietly make the changes to ACA that are needed. Of course they will frame it as an interim step with Republicans preventing a disastrous implosion that would bring harm to millions of Americans until they can put forth a really good Bill.

 

It's hard to believe that they were so out of touch with reality that they didn't grasp what was so obvious, but they certainly acted as if they were that clueless.

The ACA was very, very good to them, but they just destroyed their bellywhinging shtick. They finally had the power to replace it and, instead, flaunted their impotence.

The ACA was deliberately neglected for seven years. It's hard to imagine the congressional berserkers doing what's needed, but Democrats and non-extremist Republicans now have the opportunity to work together for the American people.

Maybe, Ryan anticipated that all along.