Brexit based on lies my request to Mr May

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  1. rogerintheeast

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    Dear Mrs May,

    Just to say you that I’m a great fan of England, living in France, originally from Holland.

    I regularly come to England (once or twice a year!) because I love your country, its language, and the people.

    However, since your attitude concerning the Brexit and inacceptable conditions which are the origin of the Brexit vote, I’m completely changing my attitude and opinion concerning England. Since the Brexit vote was based on a large number of lies, Yes I insist “LIES” of from Boris Johnson and others, the people voted for the Brexit. You didn’t take into account the great number of people who realized they voted based on lies, they asked after the vote to cancel, which you never accepted.

    It’s a severe situation, because I’m sure England will encounter a lot of difficulties, commerce, trade, exchange, travel, industry and ... tourism !

    If the Brexit is confirmed I will not come back to England and will go to the EU part of Ireland.

    67% of my friends, colleagues, neighbours, etc are agreeing with me.

    So why do you not cancel the Brexit and yes or no restart a new referendum?

    This is all I wanted to say.

    Wishing you sincerely that your brains will at last realize the risky situation of England’s Brexit,

    Yours sincerely,
     
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    If we revoked Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty cancelling Brexit and restarted the referendum, and Remain won, then it'll have to be 'best 2 out of 3', otherwise there'd be no democracy because it'll be like asking us to vote until the result pleases the EU.

    Also, because of Brexit, doesn't mean the UK hates Europe, it's a trade and judicial thing. The UK doesn't feel comfortable having the EU negotiate our trade for us and 27 other countries.

    There's nothing wrong with or to feel hurt about the UK being independent able to make new trade deals across the globe.

    Amsterdam is a great city, but so is London, nothing wrong with either city. (I'm from London, in London, and have been to Amsterdam twice and it's the only part of the NL I've been).
    Whenever I've gone to Amsterdam was by road, so, through France and Belgium.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please quit this belief that you are the spokesman for 4 countries which have the exact same beliefs as the ones you have at any given time. It almost comes over as psychotic and is far from the truth. State your own beliefs and feelings. Stop pretending you are this union of countries called the UK. Stop pretending you speak for all the people of the UK who apparently speak with one voice - nothing could be further from the truth. The 'we' you put in your posts to describe whatever emotion you yourself are feeling at the time belongs only to you. It is an 'I' not a 'we'.
     
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    He's an American, too, so it's none of his business.

    Both the US and Russia would love to see the break up of the EU because it's a threat to their power.
     
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    As I had already written in another thread ...

    After yesterday again nothing but a "No" to all was the result in the House of Commons, the EU and those who have the say to decide things, now only have an extremely small patience with the madhouse UK left.

    The EU is now just pissed off by the British inability to decide even with any majority for the once self-wanted Brexit.
    Does the EU have to take over the British because of the British total failure and total inability for the British and regulate the Brexit not only for the EU, but also for the British?

    It boils down to the fact that the British will apply to the EU for an extension beyond 12 April ... only this time it can be really evil for Brexit, because the British politicians are all just morons!

    More and more, therefore, it comes down to the fact that from the EU, this answer may come in response to a request for extension:

    "Because you British are too stupid to decide anything in Brexit with a majority in parliament, you now have 2 options: a) There is a" No Deal Brexit "on 12.04.2019 ... b) You are doing a 2nd referendum to ask the people what they want now, because you in Parliament do not know "

    Sure ... the Brexit clowns who want a "no deal" say right in their ignorance of what that means for their country, of course "Option a)" ...
    But the EU does not scare even a No Deal Brexit ... which in turn does not have a political majority.
     
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    So, you want to say Brexit is about hating Europe?
    What don't you agree with? Besides freedom and democracy.

    If it were up to you, you'd have Jeremy Corbyn and more EU because you seem to think that we need more red tape in our lives.

    There is nothing wrong with an independent UK (independent of the EU) having new post EU trade deals with markets across the world including the US.
    However, if we don't open our minds and think past the EU, then we'd fall back into the EU never able to escape. Open your mind.
     
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    It was a stupid ****ing question to have a referrendum on. People in the UK had no ****ing idea what they were really voting on. I’m willing to wager that the vast majority of yes votes were based on idiotic ethnocentric views and without any regard to the very real economic consequences that the UK is about to experience.
     
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    If more countries across the EU hold regular referendums (like every 5 or 10 years), that would make more sense.
    Also, if the EU focuses on trade and trading alone, it could let countries govern themselves with things like immigration.
     
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    The EU isn't the only people waiting to make a deal with the UK, we've got the US too.

    The US!

    Britain's oldest and bestest friend in the whole wide world.

    I know the UK's in the EU, but, we're planning to leave, why does EU get to scare monger us into a deal? It should be taken to court all these negative Brexit predictions because they're not telling the uninformed people in the UK of the benefits of bilateral trade deals like the one USA wants, for example.

    https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/o...lton-on-post-brexit-trade-prospects-1-8871764

    Is this better than the EU?

    Of course it is, Wahsington doesn't want to tell London what to do unlike Brussels.

    The UK could be independent again, instead of having a bloc be our voice, a bloc that doesn't do democracy well or care what a country says, it may be a bigger voice, but it's not London's voice, it's a bloc's voice, no country in the EU has a voice, and FYI @alexa, this is a UK not a devolved UK.
    City of Westminster in London makes London the UK capital. Not Scotland.
     
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    You’re not hearing me. Referendums are dumb. UK isn’t a democracy. It is a republic, just like in the US. In a republic, we vote for politicians and defer to their expertise in governance. If we don’t like the result of their governance, we vote them out. But we do not micromanage every decision because we aren’t qualified to do so. Brexit is a perfect ****ing example. People had no idea what actual consequences would ensue if they voted yes.
     
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    Okay ... but only if people are informed in detail about what an exit means then and, above all, about the EU itself and the institutions, organs and working groups, as well as who decides in the EU, etc. become!

    So the opposite of what happened at the Brexit referendum ... OK?
     
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    Exit means being able to forge new deals across the world, not having the EU forge those deals, but having our country sign those deals.

    We knew what leaving the EU means, it means no freedom of movement too, suddenly EU migrants would have to become skilled like the rest of the world who isn't British.

    Why should the UK let uneducated people in from Romania, but not from Kansas?
    The EU says so, well, Brexit means uneducated people from Romania should have much of a chance as uneducated people from Kansas unless UK US ever done freedom of movement, which I doubt because freedom of movement is dumb. People aren't products, freedom of movement saturates labour markets, and Romania has it in the EU and they're dirt poor. Brexit means they should only go as far as France or Ireland and any EU citizen wishing to live in the UK better not be unskilled, because that's not protecting the local labour force in the UK.

    Unless they're somehow British or a refugee seeking asylum here, that's the only way people should be able to live and work in the UK without leaving school.
    Plus Freedom of movement should be stopped with countries who don't pay their people as much as people get paid in the UK. Someone earning the equivalent of £1 an hour in Eastern Europe somewhere could move to the UK and take a job in the UK and earn what the UK pays, no questions asked, and more UK kids looking for jobs with no future stabbing each other growing up to be men and women who stab each other.
    If we stopped this, then EU migrants from poor economies can't take jobs or housing in the UK.

    It might be harsh, but it's fair, it's not equal, it's fair, it's not free trade, it's fair trade.
     
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    The UK likes immigration, but it's better to say who can and can't come into the country.

    Freedom of movement treats the labour market like agriculture.
    End freedom of movement, the jobs market could benefit from protectionism against unskilled EU migrants.

    The EU likes free trade, dumping onto markets, etc. The UK labour market is just another market free trade with the EU are able to dump on with freedom of movement.
     
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    I have a small business in the UK not trading EST 2015 that's currently in R&D (research and development)...

    I'd love to use it to import and export between US and UK for one.

    Small businesses trading in the UK tied the EU, ever heard that song Live And Let Die? Any good entrepreneur could re structure and adapt their existing businesses and probably should if they wish it to continue in the event of a no deal Brexit.

    Back to me, the guy singing Live And Let Die, I'm thinking of some names I want to name a new company for what I would like to do, so, have my existing company be the parent company and open a whole new company in England as a division of it in the event of a trade deal with America to focus on doing that, making for a conglomeration headed up by my existing company because it'll have someone (I'm wondering can this person be me)? to sit on the board of that company and have all funds to that company paid to it from my existing company so it can buy and sell and import and export US UK.
    (I also would love to do the same for Japan and EU), but, America is a jewel to me that shines like the apple pie of my eye.
     
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    My EX-Pat now American sister living in New Jersey with her small business that ships across the US, she could ship them to England and open up her market here, in the event of a US UK trade deal.
     
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    The EU is a threat to anyone who doesn't want to be ruled by a banking cartel.
     
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    Is that meant to be an insult, calling someone an American?
    What kind of Europe is this where calling someone an American is an insult?

    I'm British, Brexit matters to both UK, however, I see a lot of Germans in here, I wonder why they think their opinions matter when they're not even in the UK.

    If any opinions don't matter or if any opinions get in the way, it's the opinions of those in the EU, the thing the UK is divorcing.
     
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    How is that of importance to a country leaving the EU and the US wanting to have a post EU bilateral trade deal with it?

    Your arguments make no sense to someone sitting on this side of the fence.

    Couldn't care less about the EU if no deal Brexit happens, and that's how it should be.
     
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    And the apple pie is from Mc Donalds.
     
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    And?

    EU's hatred of America means you've no reason to get involved with a country wishing to leave the EU. You post anti American things and name American companies, in regard to the future of UK and the US, as if Germany has a say. Germany have Fritz-Kola and I prefer Coca-Cola, c'est la vie mon ami.

    It's McDonald's, it's a global brand, learn how to spell it.
     
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    There's finally a Taco Bell in Croydon, England, opened last December (I asked).
    That's a fine Irvine, CA, USA based company already expanding around the world from UK to Japan.
    If I can get Popeye's Louisiana Kitchen in London, I'd welcome that.

    Let the EU think what it wants, it's really not up to them to say, and that's what Brexit is about.
     
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    No, just a fact.


    It isn't. Don't worry about it

    Because what happens to the EU matters to them. You aren't British, but American.

    What America wants is for the EU to break up.

    They matter more than the opinions of someone pretending to be what they aren't.

    You claim the EU isn't fair to America. The EU does not want a trade deal that puts America first.
    What is unfair about that?
     
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    And the next nonsense comes ... reasoend by total missing knowledge ...

    You are stimulated by the freedom of movement agreement of the EU, because now Eastern Europeans walk around with you, etc.?
    Sorry, you British had the right to say no! But you did not want that either, but ... as was clear in the Brexit negotiations ... have a totally outrageous cherry picking, after all the British in all EU countries have the unlimited freedom of movement, but you want to decide vice versa, whom you She gives.
    And no one has forced you to participate, because you had never participated in my Schengen Agreement ... and so it is also your own issue how hard you control or protect your borders or not ... but not something what the EU tells you!

    And whether or not someone from Kansas / USA is allowed to work with you in the UK without problems, that was never an EU issue, but your national law! So please blame your UK politicians and not the EU!
     
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    Lol ... and you really think that EU prevents to have Taco Bell? Really? Oh my god!!!!

    Why are all these other "eat to death" US chains in Europe and inside the EU existing then, eh? Maybe you should ask Taco Bell why they are incpompetent to extent in Europe like the others, eh?

    Really ... the list of Brexit lies is becoming longer and longer every day! EU prevents to have Taco Bells .... o dear!
     

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