Burger King's BRILLIANT New Ad Teaches Important Lesson

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  1. rahl

    rahl Banned

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    Uh, this doesn’t make any sense.
     
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    Moreover, it is part of the corporate state's efforts to control information available to the public.
     
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    Besides being wrong about "net neutrality", its a stupid move by BK.

    By the way, a few years ago I was at a BK, got a whopper for the 2 dogs in the truck - the dogs would not eat it. I thought it might be because of the mustard onions etc so I washed the meat patty. Dogs still would not eat it.

    I have never eaten at a BK (or any fast food place) since.
     
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    The internet, like health insurance, is not a right.

    But good luck convincing the brain-dead socialist masses of that.
     
  5. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I doubt that, it's more like cable companies are irritated that streaming video has taken over cable and they want their money back from you. Cable was always a scam they never wanted you to be able to just buy the channels and/or shows you specifically wanted because that wouldn't make them as much money as they want. That's why cable was always broken up in to packages. But it was a rip off that we all just accepted because there was no alternative and we wanted to watch TV. Now that streaming has become popular a lot of folks are ditching cable and just buying streaming services to watch TV. Which of course equals less money for cable companies.

    In the past Comcast could get you to buy cable AND internet, now a lot of folks are just buying internet and watching cable on that. Which means you aren't paying the cable company as much as you did a few years ago.

    And guess who owns most ISP's.....
     
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  6. Fenton Lum

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    Who did you think the term corporate state refers to? Ajit Pai's an ex-Verizon exec, that's how this utterly corrupt system works.
     
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  7. Nightmare515

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    Yup, money trumps everything. This has much less to do with controlling information flow than to get their money back from you. These are businesses they don't care what you are doing on the internet as long as they can charge you for it somehow.
     
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    Sure they do, they need me to worship corporate power and its marriage to a govt that ostensibly answers to the people, and for me to buy into the notion that this is still a society managed "of, by, and for the people". The media has always been about manipulating the perceptual reality of the masses.
     
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    Which had been the case for....ever. But the same companies who openly swore they wouldn't actually mess with your internet are the ones who supported the removal of the regulation that made it to where they couldn't mess with your internet...
     
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    Burger King’s hypocrisy exposed in two steps.

    Step one: Go to Burger King.
    Step two: Demand equal access to a Pepsi.
     
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    The Change.org/BK ad is good, but this analogy is brilliant.
     
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    I’ll assume you mean drive it wherever I have the ability to drive other $60,000 vehicles. Though I wouldn’t recommend driving it where I can drive my $30,000 truck, where I can drive my $500 dollar kayak, or anywhere in Detroit.

    The trouble with your analogy is that I don’t have to buy a Mercedes to use the public roads. I can buy a Ford, or a Chevy, or even a Massarati. The competition between these providers will quickly resolve the service issues you outline. If, however, the town I live in creates regulations that prevent me from purchasing vehicles from other automotive companies, say by only licensing Mercedes vehicles for use on public roads, then Mercedes can make all sorts of policies that are not in the best interest of the customers they serve.

    Kinda like how BK only licenses Coke products in their soda machines.
     
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    American Airlines should try the same tact by providing different prices for different sections of the plane. Then people with economy class tickets can get angry because the first class passengers are allowed to get on the plane first, and drink their champagne whiile those of us in scum class are forced to sit next to the toilet in the back of the plane.
     
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    Yup.

    People believe it's only *their* side that will be impacted (positively or negatively), but part of the current game plan is to diminish/destroy non-mainstream narratives by effectively making it too difficult to access them.

    We already see throttling/obscuring of information now due to monetizations that occurred almost two decades ago - the internet was only a level playing field in terms of search results for the blink of an eye - but this will greatly worsen the problem.

    Net neutrality and freedom of speech (even as screwed up and monetized as the latter is now in internet contexts) are inextricably linked, and when one is attacked, the other is as well.

    This is why the destruction of access to the odious Stromfront site was so serious and chilling, but few were willing to see why this was a VERY bad thing because it wasn't their ox being gored.

    Not being gored YET, anyway.

    But this is how it always begins...

    Find a vulnerable/unpopular group, and take away their right to something while the masses applaud that *those people* lost their rights.

    Rinse and repeat.

    "Surely you believe that *these people* (alleged extremists of ALL political stripes and/or the "mentally ill" and/or people who use certain drugs and/or people of certain religious/political affiliation and/or *Russians* and/or and/or and/or) don't deserve to vote/own guns/have internet access/etc., right???"

    Who would defend the inalienable rights of the indefensible, after all?

    This round of frog-boiling began with the attacks on Stormfront, but it's far from over; much non-mainstream news is *fake news* now, and soon enough any news which doesn't praise Big Brother won't exist.

    When you attack free speech, you attack freedom.
     
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    Let them eat dirt cookies I say. :)
     
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    And have to pay cold hard cash for the booze you need to drown out the incessant crying of the 2 year old diaper filler in the seat next to you even though the snobs up front get it for free.
     
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    Don't be a customer
     
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    Yup just like I don't have to buy Comcast to use the internet, I can also purchase Spectrum, RoadRunner, ATT, etc.

    Your last statement is EXACTLY the problem here. Nearly 1/3rd of Americans have only one choice for ISP. As I do right now. So as you said, Mercedes is the only car dealership I can purchase cars from and they have decided to pull the stunt I described previously.

    What options do I have as a consumer at that point?

    Or, what if this becomes the new standard now for all ISPs? Happened with other things. Remember cable? How come no cable company actually gave it's customers what everybody wanted which was to buy individual channels at will? Because there isn't as much money in that. So instead of actually doing that (what we wanted) they just competed with each other to offer better packages. Dish would offer sports packing level 1 for $19.99 which included ESPN2. Alright well then Comcast would offer sports package level 1 that included ESPN2 AND ESPN3. That was considered a "better" deal. Still not what you wanted, but better than Dish.

    That's more than likely how this will go. What we customers WANT is for the internet to be left as is. But if ALL ISPs decide to start messing with the internet then there becomes the new bottom line. It no longer becomes a company giving you what you actually want but instead companies competing with one another to screw you LESS and calling it a deal.

    If all ISPs were available everywhere then this wouldn't be as big an issue. The one ISP who decided to NOT mess with your internet while the others did would be the one to clean house and put the rest out of business, because that's what we customers want. But since not all ISPs are everywhere there are nearly 1/3 of Americans stuck at the mercy of their sole ISP. Who can then do whatever they damn well please and there is nothing you can do about it because they are the only option you have.

    I'm actually curious to see how this will play out and what sort of deal the various ISPs are making with one another. There has to be some sort of deal being made between them because no ISP can be the one to jump first and start messing with peoples internet. They would quickly be put out of business by the rest of the ISPs who aren't messing with the internet. However, collectively there is MORE money to be made if they all agree to reestablish the bottom line and all mess with the internet in order to get customers to fork over more cash.
     
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    Excellent analysis, but Fenton's right as well.

    The troubling thing is that the profit motive here is intertwined with a desire to squeeze free speech into an acceptable pro-Big (Gov/Corp) Brother narrative dictated solely by a central authority.

    The corporate megaphone was briefly compromised by the internet age, and that's not going to be tolerated any longer.

    So if you're *Russian* or *Nazi* or *sexist* or *racist* or *fascist* or *antifascist* or *BernieBro* or *TrumpBot* or just plain *bot* or *whatever* label may be applied to you in order to marginalize you, you're done: mocked, censored, banned.

    And both the left AND the right, liberal conservatives AND straight up conservatives alike, do the work of the power state when they support the destruction of free speech and access thereto.

    It's ALL the same battle.
     
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    Yup.

    All the same battle.
     
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    It's BOTH - that's what's so insidious.
     
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    Yup.
     
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    No.

    They serve what they serve.

    You shouldn't have to pay $5 for a 30 second Pepsi, and $2 for a 5 minute one.

    That's what's being said.
     
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    Internet access is limited to one or two companies in most areas, so your analogy fails.

    Internet access should be FREE or extremely cheap for everyone.
     
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    I've seen those first class ticket prices, so I'm more than willing to suffer in the back of the plane.

    That BK commercial didn't really make it clear that customers were getting the same burger at a much lower price, so long as they were weren't in a hurry. Hey, I don't mind waiting to save a few bucks.
     

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