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Failed attempts primarily occur in those who are not truly suicidal in the first place, who had no intention of actually ending their own existence, but rather who are merely seeking attention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Out of one hundred and eighty three countries, the united states is ranked as the thirty fourth in terms of suicide. There are thirty three countries with higher degrees of suicide than the united states, all of which have neither legal access to firearms, nor a firearms-related culture.

Firearms are simply not a part of the problem.

 

actually it's supported by the hundreds of thousands of successful attempts each year, without firearms.

 

Not at all, people who fail to take their lives often become a major burden on their families and society in general, they and everyone else would be better off of they where able to complete the job the first time and just get it over.

 

Thank you. Also the graphics are very informative.

 

This seems to be a position of Social Darwinism. I disagree with it 100%.

I believe Society has a duty to care for all of its members. Even if some people are inconvenienced by taxes or restrictions, all lives are worth saving.

 

Nope. There's a difference between "may find a way" and "will find a way".

 

Sadly, many people who view guns as superior toys do not care about tens of thousands of live lost annually.

 

"Guns are responsible for..."

No. Try again.

 

It is the position of the reality of the situation.

The world is filled with a great many individuals who choose to not believe what they do not like to hear due to it conflicted with their preconceived notions of the world, such as how the popular vote for president of the united states is absolutely meaningless and amounts to nothing whatsoever.

To what extent, precisely? How far does that care actually extend? Can society dictate how much square footage of home its members can have so ensure no individual has an excessive amount compared to others? Can it set national standards on nutrition to outlaw unhealthy foods?

As someone who admits to an unhealthy lifestyle, can additional taxes be applied to yourself based solely on that fact, that do not apply to others who have healthier lifestyles? Can you be taxed extra for being fat to pay for those that are not? Can the tax be labeled a fat penalty as punishment for not taking better care of yourself?

Then why are law enforcement officers authorized to use deadly force in the course of their duties?

 

The nation of Japan has a far higher rate of suicide than the united states, despite the extent to which firearms are restricted there. Demonstrating that firearms are not needed for an individual to successfully go about ending their own lives.

 

Show what firearm owners are doing to directly contribute to the number of lives lost due to suicide.

 

They support the laws which make guns available to civilian population. As a result, people with suicidal tendencies obtain guns.

 

That's a Constitutional Right and there is nothing wrong about supporting such, what should be condemned are people who wish to restrict the rights of the law abiding under the guise "if it saves one life it is worth trampling those rights."

 

yep.

and we know from the data, that they do find away. As others have pointed out, we are ranked in the mid 30's for suicides. NUMEROUS other countries with extremely strict gun control have higher rates that we do. This destroys your narrative.

 

If someone wants to take their own life, how is that my problem or responsibility? As the data shows, gun prevalence has no relevance to suicide rates. Countries with extremely strict gun control have higher rates of suicide than we do.

 

which is irrelevant, as the data shows. Guns have nothing to do with suicide rates.

 

Not one life but hundreds of thousands of lives.

 

As Galileo posted:

 

which was refuted by pointing out we rank in the mid 30's for suicide rate, while numerous other countries far exceed our rates, and have extremely strict gun control. Rendering the claim that guns are responsible for or contribute to suicide rates to be demonstrable nonsense.

 

as the data shows, if you banned all guns tomorrow, it would not affect suicide rates.

 

Would you support a nationwide speed limit of 25 mph and if not, please state why.

Thanks,

 

There are not laws that do such. It is a constitutional right that exists and operates outside of the scope of governmental authority, without need of being legalized to be allowed. Laws to make firearms ownership legal would suggest that firearms ownership is in some way a privilege granted to the populace by their government, and able to be rescinded for any reason whatsoever, or even no reason whatsoever.

Firearms ownership and their related use for legal purposes are constitutionally recognized, affirmed, and protected rights, as confirmed by the united state supreme court in the Heller, McDonald and more recently Caetano rulings. The united states government has absolutely no authority to do anything about it, as certain policies, such as prohibitions, are legally impermissible. Such is the long and short of the matter.

Even if such were not the case, and legal firearms ownership was a privilege granted to the people by government, exactly how would such amount to legal firearm owners directly contributing to the number of lives lost due to suicides? How do their legal use of firearms serve to harm anyone under any circumstances?

Supporting the second amendment and legal firearms ownership causes no more direct harm to the mentally ill portion of the united states population, that supporting the first amendment leads to acts of cyberterrorism simply because computers and the internet are legal for the public to use.

As opposed to what, precisely? Exactly which firearm-related restrictions would serve to prevent individuals experiencing suicidal thoughts and/or tendencies from legally obtaining firearms? Not what may lead to results based on hypothetical situations because of how the notion is presented. Rather what has been proven to work in the real world?

Demonstrate the legitimacy of the claims being presented on the part of yourself. Prove that what is being done on the part of yourself is more than merely parroting empty, vague talking points devoid of any understanding of what is being suggested.

 

Prove such to be the case. Demonstrate conclusively, beyond reasonable doubt, that individuals who wish to end their own lives would not simply seek alternative effective methods, just as those in the nation of Japan and elsewhere have done, all without repeating the same tired excuse of how suicide is not regarded as a sin in the nation of Japan as if such actually made a meaningful difference. It does not explain why it is believed individuals would not continue ending their own existence through other means, and will not be accepted as a valid response.

 

It doesn't destroy any narrative. No one claimed that gun ownership is the only factor that increases the suicide rate.

To isolate the relationship between guns and suicide multivariate analysis is necessary:

"After we controlled for these characteristics through conditional logistic regression, the presence of one or more guns in the home was found to be associated with an increased risk of suicide (adjusted odds ratio, 4.8; 95 percent confidence interval, 2.7 to 8.5)."
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199208133270705

A suicide is almost five times more likely to happen in a home where one or more guns is kept!

 

The contents of this so-called "study" have already been discussed previously. The link between suicide and possession of a firearm is limited largely to individuals who have criminal records, histories of mental illness, engage in the use and dealing of illicit narcotic substance, have a substance abuse addiction problem, have little to no education, no employment, come from broken homes, and generally live in high crime neighborhoods. Meaning those most likely to go about ending their own existence, are the same type of individuals who are most likely to engage in the criminal misuse of a firearm. If they are not murdering one another, they are killing themselves.