Coalition Wins Government

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  1. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is a bit premature, but the ABC has called it.

    Liberals win government.

    Given the polling before the election, this is a considerable victory. Labor have lost the unlosable election.

    A few notes:

    -Palmer did very well, getting 5% of the vote in a lot of electorates.

    -One Nation did very well, increasing their share of the vote in many electorates. The NRA scandal seems not to have hurt them as much as was anticipated.

    -Queensland has resoundingly rejected the "stop Adani" campaign and swung liberal.

    -Victoria was not the boon for Labor that was expected.

    -Bill Shorten's political career is kaput.

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    So...

    Who will succeed Bill as ALP leader?
     
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    Well, the polls, we tossed 4 prime minister based on these polls. Admittedly one made the cause of the stabbing because of the polls, yet when his was far worse his childish rants and acts demonstrated WHY he was dumped...


    All I can say is good riddance to bad rubbish. So who will take the place??? I had thought Albo would be somebody to consider, but he stubbled pretty hard during the campaign over the debacle of preferences and social media comments. I still put my money on Albo, but not sure he can turn around the bad policies of Shorten with the people in the party. The party needs to find a huge figure with decent economic credentials to bring decent policy to the table. Not the current snatch and grab to pay for pie in the sky wish lists to force dependence on the government teet.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'd put money on Plibersek. Maybe Albo. Penny Wong if they want another coalition victory in 2022.

    What will help ALP minds sleep at night is a narrative that the old cis straight white male ruined their chances, and it's time for them to step aside and let marginalised communities like the majority gender have a shot.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I mudt say I'm a little surprised, we just had a massive upset of a Federal election and it gets one reply.
     
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    What has Labor given labor but sell outs?

    It will be amusing to see if you guys get serious about
    selling your land and national assets to foreigners.
    Just like Mexico toward :flagus: et al not Mexican
    And get serious about NOT being an island destination for refugees.


    Moi :oldman:




    Did :flagcanada: Influence

    Australian elections?
     
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    Not sure where I saw it, smh perhaps, but a journo mentioned Labor needs to sort out whether it's for the working class or the inner-city progressives. I can agree with that with the proviso that Labor should always look for ways to ameliorate climate change. As said in the thread Qld did them over because of Adani. I think that's spot on. Anastasia is going to be a bit worried about that result. How to have a decent climate change policy and protect industrial jobs is something that has to be resolved. We all think short term as individuals, after we've shuffled off this mortal coil we're not around to face the consequences of our short-termism and I suspect the rhetoric about protecting the planet for future generations is not heeded by those who, perhaps quite naturally think about their jobs being lost. No point in bollocking Qld miners or the communities that depend on coal, better to seek some sort of decent policy outcome. I know, easy for me to say.

    Labor needs to focus on the working class. It shouldn't jettison its other values though. But it does need to regain the workers'votes.

    I was a bit disappointed about Labor's non-committal attitude towards those on NewStart, those are working class people without jobs and they need to be treated far better than the Coalition has thus far.

    Shorten has gone. I agree Albo might be the one to take the leader's position and I think he should.

    Now all I can hope is that the government doesn't stuff the country up.

    Heartened to see (so far) that Palmer and PHON didn't do much. The quicker they're off the scene the better.
     
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    I would have considered Plibersek, but I myself believe she is so closely aligned with Greens policy I am not sure she can shake the stigma. I am sure again I am not alone on this point. Previously, Before the ALP changed their charter on leadership, they could have tried anybody and if found wanting tossed them for a candidate they groom and promote. NOW they have to choose the best and most likely candidate to be able to win the next election. At present, Plibersek could not win a chook raffle even if she held all the tickets. Just heard her speak on insiders, obviously she is still trying to gather the populist vote…


    I just love the fact the polls, the media and many pundits trying to say what the blame is. I blame the Australian people… they aren’t as stupid as these people think they are…
     
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    Obviously we don't agree on a lot... But there is little I can disagree with here. Possibly just the fact that ALP need to commit to Newstart and those without jobs. I believe they should commit to providing jobs... NOT welfare... But we have another 3years to talk about that...



    So the Coalition has won the election, I had not considered their policies since I did not think they could win... My bad...


    I did state it was my opinion that the Coalition policy was least detrimental to the poor. BUT I never compared as I thought it was irrelevant... Maybe if Shorten had showed comparison (not that I think it would have changed anything) there could different result...



    So it appears more the same from the Coalition, the gap will grow between the rich and the poor... even though we have different opinions I do believe we agree on stopping this one aspect of Australian economy...
     
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    Bottom line. Shorten like Beazley before him is simply not electable. He just does not “gel” with the voters.

    Palmer got 5% because he promised the earth to the rural voters - mind you even they would not believe everything pie in the sky promises from someone who stiffed a whole city (Townsville) which is why he only got 5% despite those promises

    It is the senate that looks tight
     
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    There’s a new form of political snobbery at work in Australia. Many of the working class believe they’ve ascended above so embarassing a station.
    Then we have the cohort of voters who claim to be left wing in their sympathies but ripp off the taxation system to their own advantage while gleefully availing themselves of the benefits of taxation funded public medicine, roads, law enforcement etc. A nation of hypocrits.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On the contrary, ALP and LNP saw declines, Greens a 0.2% decrease, while ON more than doubled their share of the vote, and preference deals with UAP eere crucial in several seats.

    ON and UAP were legitimately the only parties that increased their share of the vote.
     
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    3.5% actually.

    Still, the story of the night appears to be:

    1. Queensland voters HATE self righteous city slickers coming up and telling them what to do. The swing there was truly unprecedented, even by internal Coalition polling. QLD has decidedly chosen jobs over action on climate change. This is the big story of the election.

    2. One Nation more than doubled their share of the vote. Everyone else lost share.

    3. UAP preference deals get Libs over the line in key marginal seats.

    4. Bill Shorten's career is over, and rightly so. He was broadly unlikable. He should never have remained leader after the last election.
     
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    Global warming.
     
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    Little bit of both I'd say.

    Queenslanders don't seem convinced by the worst case prediction under climate change, ans are willing to trade it off for jobs.
     
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    How many jobs are available to extinct species?
     
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    We live in democratic republics, you have to convince those in rural seats or you cannot win government. If anything Bob Brown's utter failure in QLD demonstrates that talking down to people is very dangerous and may doom the human race. There is broad recognition of climate change, but disagreement over specific proposals.

    If you want to capture the minds of these people you have to market it to them in terms of jobs. Abbott lost his seat but he was right that the Coalition wins on climate change as a jobs issue but fails when it is framed as a moral one.

    The decline of the Greens' share of the vote shows this isn't going how the media and parties themselves were predicting on this issue.

    So... do better next time. This could probably be counteree by just throwing money at Queenslanders. Put most green subsidies there, buy them off. Then you can reclaim the argument as a jobs issue.
     
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    Correct. And that wanker Bob Brown's caravan invading Queensland properties over Adani even pissed me off as a parochial Cane Toad. We do not take kindly to that sort of Mexican crap doing that up here. It's okay if some of ours do it.......just not Mexicans.
     
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    How many jobs are available to extinct species?
    So, if you don’t condsider yourself part of Australia why vote in Federal elections?
     
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    Disagree, over and over it’s been explained an economy that recasts itself to research, build and instal renewable energy solutions creates more employment than that offered by fossil fuel industry. Australia has lost to the US and China far too many inovative technologies because of government indifference. It’s almost impossible for me to avoid insulting the simple minded, jingoistic Queenslanders who can’t see past their obsolete thought patterns. If they object to the rest of Australia telling them what to do they can reject the massive federal subsidies offered to Adani for rail transport infrastructure etc.
     
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    Just popping by to point out that the reason "renewable energy solutions" create more employment than the fossil fuel industry is because "renewable energy solutions" are far less efficient than fossil fuels. It takes far more people, space, and effort to generate one unit of energy from renewable energy sources than it does from coal, oil, or natural gas. And then every one of those renewable energy sources is unreliable. The wind doesn't always blow, the sun doesn't always shine, the tide doesn't always vary that much. But one unit of fossil fuel will always burn the same as another unit of fossil fuel, day or night, rain or shine, windy or calm, spring tide or neap.
     
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    A deficient economic calculation methodology. If you include, as you should, the staggering costs of climate change fossil fuel energy production makes no economic sense whatever. You might also consider including advances in battery and re-pumped hydro storage in your calculations next time.
    All of this may however become purely academic with accelerating advances in fusion energy. I hope so because if we continue down the suicidll path we’re on the actual extinction of our species loops. There’ll be nobody here to turn the lights out.
     
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    Once the mine is built and the robots are runnng everything and the Reef is destroyed, where are the jobs going to be?
     
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    The scenario you paint may come to pass even if we stall global warming by some miracle. Blind acceptance of the advance of artificial intelligence is species suicide of another kind. I’m so glad I’ll soon be leaving the planet as I’m becomming very vary of young children quizzing me about the future and finding myself wanting to lie to them.
     
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    Don’t any of them have young children or grandchildren?
     

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