Concord man says officer followed him to parking lot for ‘looking suspicious’

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  1. submarinepainter

    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    how many of you have made an error at work? all you perfect people jump in and try it? Go fix it
     
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    It will never get that far :)
     
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    So what? If he showed ID this situation would not have escalated. It doesn’t cost anything to cooperate. It’s free.
     
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    I didn’t make up any facts, all facts here were supplied by your link. It seems you are projecting.
     
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    Better safe than sorry..
     
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    Exactly haha, much ado about nothing.
     
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    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    when an anticop gets robbed I shrug and say so what!
     
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    Incorrect, it’s in your own link. He clearly did exactly as I said. You are projecting . The officer did the right thing.
     
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    The cop asked Hampton some questions and Hampton immediately became combative.

    What is it Leftists say all the time? "If you don't have anything to hide, what's wrong with answering a few questions"?

    If the dude would have chilled, the cop would have figured out he was barking up the wrong tree and went on about his business.
     
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    https://www.maricopa.gov/919/Probable-Cause-Versus-Reasonable-Suspici

    "Definition of Probable Cause - Probable cause means that a reasonable person would believe that a crime was in the process of being committed, had been committed, or was going to be committed.

    Legal Repercussions of Probable Cause - Probable cause is enough for a search or arrest warrant. It is also enough for a police officer to make an arrest if he sees a crime being committed.

    Definition of Reasonable Suspicion - Reasonable suspicion has been defined by the United States Supreme Court as "the sort of common-sense conclusion about human behavior upon which practical people . . . are entitled to rely." Further, it has defined reasonable suspicion as requiring only something more than an "unarticulated hunch." It requires facts or circumstances that give rise to more than a bare, imaginary, or purely conjectural suspicion.

    Reasonable suspicion means that any reasonable person would suspect that a crime was in the process of being committed, had been committed or was going to be committed very soon.

    Legal Repercussions of Reasonable Suspicion - If an officer has reasonable suspicion in a situation, he may frisk or detain the suspect briefly. Reasonable suspicion does not allow for the searching of a person or a vehicle unless the person happens to be on school property. Reasonable suspicion is not enough for an arrest or a search warrant.

    Stop and Frisk - In Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), the court recognized that a limited stop and frisk of an individual could be conducted without a warrant based on less than probable cause. The stop must be based on a reasonable, individualized suspicion based on articulable facts, and the frisk is limited to a pat-down for weapons. An anonymous tip that a person is carrying a gun is not, by itself, sufficient to justify a stop and frisk. Florida v. J.L., 529 U.S. 266 (2000).

    Florida v. Bostick 501 U.S. 429, 437 (1991) - A person's refusal to cooperate is not sufficient for reasonable suspicion.

    Illinois v. Wardlow, 528 U.S. 119, 124-25 (2000). - A person's flight in a high crime area after seeing police was sufficient for reasonable suspicion to stop and frisk.

    The same requirement of founded suspicion for a "person" stop applies to stops of individual vehicles. United States v. Arvizu, 534 U.S. 266 (2002). The scope of the "frisk" for weapons during a vehicle stop may include areas of the vehicle in which a weapon may be placed or hidden. Michigan v. Long, 463 U.S. 1032 (1983). The police may order passengers and the driver out of or into the vehicle pending completion of the stop. Maryland v. Wilson, 519 U.S. 408 (1997). The passengers may not be detained longer than it takes the driver to receive his citation. Once the driver is ready to leave, the passengers must be permitted to go as well. During a stop for traffic violations, the officers need not independently have reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot to justify frisking passengers, but they must have reason to believe the passengers are armed and dangerous. Arizona v. Johnson, 129 S Court. 781, 784 (2009).

    The Difference Between the Two - The terms probable cause and reasonable suspicion are often confused and misused. While both have to do with a police officer's overall impression of a situation, the two terms have different repercussions on a person's rights, the proper protocol and the outcome of the situation.

    Reasonable suspicion is a step before probable cause. At the point of reasonable suspicion, it appears that a crime may have been committed. The situation escalates to probable cause when it becomes obvious that a crime has most likely been committed."

    Is this the first you've heard this, OP?
     
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    Exactly.

    but hey, the anti coppers gotta find reason to hate police more. Though truth be told on the face of a world without cops that people are starting to see after the defund the cops movement….we are seeing less and less police hate.

    I predict in the next decade or so police will be well respected and supported in thier actions.
     
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    What is it with folks of color and reluctance to get or show ID? Seems to be a common trait of theirs!
     
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    The cop wasn’t wrong. His supervisor simply chickened out lol.
     
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    Yes, always blame the victim.

    Do you also blame a wife who gets beat by her husband?
     
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    The victim is the officer here. In trouble for doing his job.
     
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    I don't see a victim in this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    More projecting I see lol.
     
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    How many people have jobs where they have other people's lives in their hands?
     
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    And yet the same folks bawling about this would slap down a Vax card in a heartbeat for a ice cream cone :roflol:
     
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    The player had the opportunity to de escalate the situation and chose not to even though he thought his life was on he line. I’m not responsible for the cop’s actions, the player isn’t responsible for the cop’s actions, but the player is responsible for his actions and he insanely chose to risk death rather than show ID. The player had an easy way out and chose not to go there.

    what was the purpose of creating this thread?
     
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    How many people have jobs where they have other people's lives in their hands?
     
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    LOL, who gets mad about troll threads? This one is gonna be fun, especially since we get the chance to clear up some funny misinformation and help our buddies.
     
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    The officer had the opportunity not to embarrass himself and falsely accuse someone.......

    He also had the opportunity to not force the community to pay out yet another lawsuit. He chose not to go there.
     
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    Bus drivers, airline pilot, taxi cab drivers, school teachers and the list goes on and on :razz:
     
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    Thousands, why?
     
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    Yeah, I suppose guessing what others are thinking is something people do when they're losing an argument. Making up facts ...

    Too easy.
     
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    What did he accuse them of again?
     
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