Concord man says officer followed him to parking lot for ‘looking suspicious’

Cops being asses never works either. We DO NOT have to SUBMIT to the cops.

 

I'm starting to wonder why we even need them now! We should adopt the illegal immigrant procedure and just make up a name and refuse to show ID..

 

You don't want to ban ANY guns? At all?

 

No, you don't have to cooperate with authorities if you have no legal obligation to do so, and you have the right to be an ass to them. Fascism isn't okay just because you think it is "helpful."

 

Heck, I can't even get past the front door at school without wearing my ID tag and I'm sure we have many posters here that would say the same.

I guess if you work at Hot Dog on a Stick not having an ID may not be an issue but for the rest of us I dunno how you get thru the day without showing some kinda ID at least once.

 

It isn't my duty to teach you how to use the forum search feature. Meanwhile, when you tire of running away and hiding, there's an actual topic here and YOU are the one advocating authoritarianism. And, unfortunately, you aren't alone.

 

Not true at all. The police can ask questions when the situation presents itself;

PROBABLE CAUSE VERSUS REASONABLE SUSPICION
Definition of Probable Cause - Probable cause means that a reasonable person would believe that a crime was in the process of being committed, had been committed, or was going to be committed.

Legal Repercussions of Probable Cause - Probable cause is enough for a search or arrest warrant. It is also enough for a police officer to make an arrest if he sees a crime being committed.

Definition of Reasonable Suspicion - Reasonable suspicion has been defined by the United States Supreme Court as "the sort of common-sense conclusion about human behavior upon which practical people . . . are entitled to rely." Further, it has defined reasonable suspicion as requiring only something more than an "unarticulated hunch." It requires facts or circumstances that give rise to more than a bare, imaginary, or purely conjectural suspicion.

Reasonable suspicion means that any reasonable person would suspect that a crime was in the process of being committed, had been committed or was going to be committed very soon.

Legal Repercussions of Reasonable Suspicion - If an officer has reasonable suspicion in a situation, he may frisk or detain the suspect briefly. Reasonable suspicion does not allow for the searching of a person or a vehicle unless the person happens to be on school property. Reasonable suspicion is not enough for an arrest or a search warrant.

Stop and Frisk - In Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (196, the court recognized that a limited stop and frisk of an individual could be conducted without a warrant based on less than probable cause. The stop must be based on a reasonable, individualized suspicion based on articulable facts, and the frisk is limited to a pat-down for weapons. An anonymous tip that a person is carrying a gun is not, by itself, sufficient to justify a stop and frisk. Florida v. J.L., 529 U.S. 266 (2000).

Florida v. Bostick 501 U.S. 429, 437 (1991) - A person's refusal to cooperate is not sufficient for reasonable suspicion.

Illinois v. Wardlow, 528 U.S. 119, 124-25 (2000). - A person's flight in a high crime area after seeing police was sufficient for reasonable suspicion to stop and frisk.

The same requirement of founded suspicion for a "person" stop applies to stops of individual vehicles. United States v. Arvizu, 534 U.S. 266 (2002). The scope of the "frisk" for weapons during a vehicle stop may include areas of the vehicle in which a weapon may be placed or hidden. Michigan v. Long, 463 U.S. 1032 (1983). The police may order passengers and the driver out of or into the vehicle pending completion of the stop. Maryland v. Wilson, 519 U.S. 408 (1997). The passengers may not be detained longer than it takes the driver to receive his citation. Once the driver is ready to leave, the passengers must be permitted to go as well. During a stop for traffic violations, the officers need not independently have reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot to justify frisking passengers, but they must have reason to believe the passengers are armed and dangerous. Arizona v. Johnson, 129 S Court. 781, 784 (2009).

The Difference Between the Two - The terms probable cause and reasonable suspicion are often confused and misused. While both have to do with a police officer's overall impression of a situation, the two terms have different repercussions on a person's rights, the proper protocol and the outcome of the situation.

Reasonable suspicion is a step before probable cause. At the point of reasonable suspicion, it appears that a crime may have been committed. The situation escalates to probable cause when it becomes obvious that a crime has most likely been committed.

Probable Cause to Search
In order to obtain a search warrant, the court must consider whether based on the totality of the information there is a fair probability that contraband, evidence or a person will be found in a particular place. Illinois v. Gates, 462 U.S. 213 (1983).

Probable Cause to Arrest
In order to arrest a suspect the officer must have a good faith belief that a crime has been committed and the individual he is arresting committed the crime. In Maryland v. Pringle, 540 U.S. 366 (2003). In Pringle, an officer was permitted to arrest three individuals in a vehicle where marijuana was discovered. The court reasoned that, even though the officers did not have evidence that any one of the three occupants was responsible for the drugs, probable cause existed as to all of them because co-occupants of a vehicle are often engaged in a common enterprise and all three denied knowing anything about the drugs.

 

Stop bitching about mass shootings, then...lol

 

In some instances YES, you do. Not all, some.

 

I have a 6-figure job. So does my wife. Neither of us have to show government ID to authorities in a public area unless legally required to do so. Same goes for you, no matter what kind of job you have or how much money you make. This is a good thing. It shouldn't piss you off.

 

Again, quote me, lol. I realize you can't be bothered to engage in 5 minutes of intellectual honesty, but could you muster at least 2?

 

Gonna be pretty rough world, maybe we should rethink gun control with your right to refuse arrest

 

But not this one.

 

Sorry, but I do not have to show ID when a cop asks for no reason, they are not allowed to detain me without probable cause which they must aver at the scene.

 

I have done nothing wrong to be arrested.. Sorry to bum you out. My guns are my business and the cops can't get them.

 

I'd like to get your response and @Stuart Wolfe 's response, since he liked your post: why do you think that banning guns is the only possible response to mass shootings? Why do you think that you can't oppose mass shootings without supporting gun bans?

 

You are the one that bought that up So are you derailing?

 

Not the point, and wasn't directed to you specifically.. But how do you go about dealing with a suspect? You OK with suspects and reasonable suspicion now

 

I ain't arguing with a cop, especially an armed one. That's what we have lawyers for. Hell, anyone wants to see my ID, here ya go. I even have Life360 on my cell so my wife knows where I am at all times.

That's the nice thing about always staying within the law.

 

They have the correct mode of how-to's in law enforcement that they can follow.

 

I'm afraid to ask how these folks are gonna deal with showing proof of insurance, OMFG, what a horrible thing to ask a person!!

 

And you are free to do so. You are not required to do so. I get that we care about your rights more than you do. And, no, a cop threatening to jail your for not obeying an unlawful demand is not "staying within the law." It's cowering in compliance. I'd give a cop my ID if he threatened to murder me if I didn't, but he'd still be the one in the wrong.

By the way, when can we expect you to post your ID in this thread. Just post a photo. You said "anyone who wants to see my ID, here ya go," so where is it?

 

Well there a dodge LMAO So asking for ID isn't one of those how-to's..

Hilarious!

 

So now hyperbolism, this is not the case before you nor is the thread lololol

 

They can if they use the correct words-duh that is what the courts have established-duh...It's a game of words in the legal field-duh. Don't play stupid and not know your rights-duh.
As far as I am concerned the cops can shove it...