Crimean Kerch Bridge destroyed?

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You still crying big phat crocodile tears over beloved Vlad ... ?? Worry not .. already told you what gonna happen .. many months ago.. This thing gonna drag on a little while longer .. Europe already had enough .. US .. and others trying to drag Ukraine into talks .. .. Russia gonna keep most of the territory along the Black sea that it has annexed .. Ukraine will keep Odesa leaving it with at least a corridor on the Black Sea .. and that will be that.
     
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    Russia can't hold what it has taken and no one is going to force Ukraine to accept the theft of their land. Support will continue, as will Ukrainian advances to retake what is theirs.
     
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    I don't think Russia will give up the city of Odessa since it was always part of Russia and the people are Russians. It also gives Moscow a passageway to Transnistria. I foresee the war going to the Baltics next.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Russia did not take Odesa - not part of the territory annexed thus far -- and so if negotiations happened now .. can't see they just giving away Odesa ,,, and after all .. without Odesa .. what is there to negotiate ?
     
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    Could be. The Brits just announced they are pulling out of Latvia but sending their latest weaponry to fill the void.
     
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    I know Russia hasn't taken Odessa yet, but I can't see them not taking it since a passage way to Transnistria has always been their dream. Not to mention that it is a predominantly Russian city.

    I don't think Russia will negotiate since the war is a battle between 2 powers and ideologies. One is the World Economic Forums Great Reset, and the other is the retaining of our traditional values and really has nothing to do about Ukraine - other than killing off the Ukrainians. Besides Washington seems to be on the warpath all around the world with provocations going on towards China and N. Korea as well as Iran and the Middle East.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Scotty boy, go back to your bottle, :alcoholic::alcoholic::alcoholic::alcoholic::alcoholic:, you're on ignore once again.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are a lot of little hints here and there that the Baltics will be next. - maybe over Kaliningrad.
     
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    So Jenny, do you think the British intelligence' people involved here were some of the 'NATO personnel' you spent months telling us were in Aleppo? They never did turn up. Were some of the 'NATO personnel' who you spent months telling us were in Mariupol? I seem to recall breathless reports that a 'General' had been captured. None of those guys turned up either.

    But NOW your information is correct? NOW we are supposed to believe your claims about 'British intelligence' blowing up Vlad's little bridge? Fact free clais from a zero credibility source. Face it Jenny, the Ukranians outsmarted you once again.
     
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    Bellingcat do great work. Evidence based investigations - pretty mch the opposite to what our Putinistas offer.
     
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    Russia can hold the annexed territory .. the US and EU now urging Ukraine to the negotiating table. Russia will keep the annexed territory along the Black Sea except for Odesa. Ukraine will be allowed to keep Odesa thus having a corridor to the black sea.
     
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    Just like the Star and National Enquirer :)
     
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    aaawww....and we were getting on soooo well.........:lonely:
     
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    yeah they're a clever bunch. What gets me is that they produce precision etched, straightforward, no frills work...simple screw you don't try and bullshit us de-bunking.....hat tip to em
     
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    Yes, of course, but he was talking about U.S. air superiority in the event the U.S. were to enter the fray. Yes the Russian air force is stronger than that of Ukraine.
     
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    No point in talking about that since it is not going to happen ... not going to see the "F-35" dogfight the Mig 31 .... which is unfortunate in some ways .. as it would be interesting to see how our planes fair against modern air defense technology.
     
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    The end of democracy in the U.S. is also not going to happen but people talk about it constantly.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A different thing that is even if what you were saying was true. "The end of Democracy in the US" happened quite some time ago .. long before Trump .. thats for sure. but even if that were not the case .. Trump nor the protesters had any impact either way .. a moronic trope on steroids the Blue "End of Democracy" .. and those that bought it need some education in how our process works.

    Today on the ballot we have Mao .. and Pol Pot .. which do you prefer ? ahhh .. good choice . can't stand Pol Pot so you voted for Mao .. good little sheep .. herded so easily .. cause voting 3rd party is spoiling your ballot don't ya know.....
     
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    bigfella Well-Known Member

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    It will come as a surprise to no one that you can't tell the difference. Ideology = illiteracy.
     
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    Can't help but think that they would be MUCH better known and lauded if they focussed less on holding Putin's dictatorship to account and more on attacking the West. The same people who jerk off over wikileaks rarely seem to have much good to say about Bellingcat.
     
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    They don't like anyone who contradicts Russia's fire hose of disinformation, which is what they choose to base their views of reality on.
     
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    I'm not just talking about the pro-Putin folk, I'm casting the net a bit wider. The 'anti-imperialist' left and fellow travellers aren't necessarily pro-Putin, but their worldview is based on the idea that the West is fundamentally to blame for...basically everything. That certainly makes them more susceptible to Russian propaganda, if not necessarily consciously supportive of it (though some clearly are).

    Surprisingly to some extent, a large proportion of the 'anti-imperialist' left have gotten solidly behind Ukraine, so maybe some of them will exit this experience somewhat innoculated to Putinist propaganda. Of course, a hard core will be more committed than ever...as some contributors here seem keen tpo prove almost daily.
     
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    It's funny to think of an "anti-imperialist" embracing Russian imperialism, but yeah, I know a few here have managed that feat of doublethink.
     
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    Ever was it thus.

    Go back 50 years abd Chomsky was in Nth Vietnam basically doing propaganda for them while they occupied parts of three different nations illegally and were helping to overthrow all three governments. 'Anti-imperialists' have always been 'anti-Western' first, last & always. Any actual opposition to 'imperialism' is a function of that rather than some genuine critique of imperialism.

    Helps to explain the deafening silence on the behaviour of nations like China, Iran, Syria, & the fate of Kurds, Sarawi, Tigrinya etc. its always about evil Westerners.
     
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    Who you calling illiterate "bigfella" The one who all can proffer is name calling from peanut gallery .. the one sucked in by the "propaganda" .. drank down the ideology kool-aid .. ? and why are you trying to tar me with your failings ? perhaps need to take log out of own eye .. never thought of that one did ya ?
     

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