Debunking The Misleading Panic Over 3-D Guns

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  1. Rucker61

    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    I can't believe you think anyone can stop this.
     
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    Whats funny about people scared of the AR-15 style being printed is that they have no clue that any printed gun will break in 3 shots. Its the effective way of making the high capacity mag ban a reality. Unless someone is going to be walking around shooting people in large numbers with about 10 ARs strapped to their backs, a 3D printed gun is in no way efficient for any terrorist to use. The guns would be best for single use defensive situations, if that. They are way over priced since the printers cost almost 100x what it would cost to find them on the black market in the first place.
     
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    There is nothing "reasonable" to be had with all of the hysteria of firearms that can be produced by a 3D printer. Nor is there anything relating to "reasonable" on the part of those who keep talking about plastic, undetectable firearms, when such do not even exist, nor can ever be made to exist.
     
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    this particular matter has been researched, but it is not understood. The outside diameter of a thick-walled pipe capable of holding a twelve gauge shotgun shell, is larger than the inside diameter of a thick-walled pipe that is the next size up in terms of measurement. How are they made to actually slide together, with one inside the other?
     
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    I think you can relax on this one...

    With hundreds of millions of guns in circulation throughout the US, any criminal that wants a real gun already has one or can easily get one.

    All of the plastic guns I've seen & read about either don't work without metal parts or are as much a danger to the user as the target.

    The "they" to whom you refer:
    have been able to make dangerous & unreliable, home made guns for decades just as an AR-15's lower receiver is useless without metal parts.
    Additionally, it's already very easy to erase or alter the serial number on any firearm with either a file, Dremel Tool, grinder or engraver.

    Yes, you can make plastic parts & very crude, dangerous & cumbersome single shot handguns with prohibitively expensive 3D printers but I imagine that some individuals are under the impression that with a 5 gallon bucket of "Liquid Gun" you can crank out a dozen, fully automatic firearms as easily as "Lost Dog" fliers from a desktop printer.
     
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    well you know wanted killers constantly get guns. So your claims are specious
     
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    doesnt mean we should make it easier for them to get a gun.
     
  9. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL

    you think a 3 minute background check= harrassment.

    I call it a moment of quiet to check my email.
     
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    your proposed schemes mainly harass honest citizens and are designed to facilitate registration

    the Duke Study proved the background checks didn't decrease violent crime. You are engaging in a faith based argument that stuff that will clearly hassle honest people in the prayer it might stop a few criminals for a day or two
     
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    that's not realistic-in many cases people are delayed for several days. at peak times, NICS crashes. You are pretending the best case scenario is the standard, its not
     
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    the more you falsely claim "harrassment" the more I suspect a persecution complex.
     
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    I have an extremelly common name.

    A Google search shows 40 million hits.

    And yet when I get a NICS check its approved in 3 minutes.

    Nothing special about me, maybe a lot of these gun buyers have a checkered past.
     
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    you don't spend near as much time in gun shops and ranges as I do.

    I have watched clerks spend hours trying to get through to NICS on say Black Friday

    I know dozens of people be delayed for 2-3 days
     
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    the more you pretend your schemes will help public safety, the more I know the real goal is Aesop fox material
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I support keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and illegal aliens.

    Dont you?
     
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    Yes, but not at the expense of my rights, and not through ineffective, unenforceable methods.
     
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    NICS checks make sense.

    even the NRA supports them
     
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    Then give the public direct access to NICS. There is no reason to have to go to an FFL and pay extra fees.
     
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    When I was still working at the gun shop, it was in a Southwestern state where Hispanic surnames were widespread and common. We also knew that anyone with a last name of Martinez or Herrera - as common in that part of the country as "Smith" or "Miller" are in others - was going to be delayed.

    One man I knew lived right down the street from a guy with the same name - they were even both "juniors" - and the second guy had a felony record. The first manm, a collector and competition shooter, got denied so often he ended up applying for a special ID number to use for his NICS checks.
     
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    Background checks in Colorado go through the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, and involve NICS checks plus checks against additional databases. All states aren't the same. It still takes longer and costs more than if I just sell a gun to my buddy in my living room, and that's a transaction that the state will never detect. :
     
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    It took me about 2 hours to print an AR lower.
    10/day, 300 days/year = 3000 AR lowers per printer - all perfectly legal.

    Gun control is over. Long live freedom.
     
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    What's your cost per lower for materials and tool amortization?
     
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    The printer was around $350. Had to be assembled.
    1kg 1.75mm feed stock is $20
     
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    you also support harassing honest gun owners with legislation that you claim-but cannot prove-will keep guns out of the hands of criminals
     
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