Disappearance of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi --Why we should care

I just did. Anyway, far as I can tell there isn't a body nor any evidence of wrong doing beyond liberal speculation...

 

Wow the big lie in action. No you didn't give a single solitary example of a comperable occurence.

 

Civilized countries don't just jump into the middle of other peoples' business. This is between Saudi Arabi and Turkey, nobody else. Liberals are totally wrong about this and in the end it will backfire...

 

So America's invasion of Iraq proves America isn't a civilized nation. Or Vietnam. Or our support for Israel.

 

No, we are talking about interference of an entire government over the events of a single unrelated individual. You confuse personal cases like this with more complex things like foreign policy.

 

Gee and here I though that any interactions of our government with a foreign government had something to do with foreign policy.

 

How odd, then, that the congressional republicans are repeating the same speculation...it's almost as if you are just pulling stuff out of your 4ss...

 

I guess you don't get foreign policy then. What liberals are whining about this 'journalist' is that Trump isn't interfering. The issue at hand has nothing at all to do with America. This is just liberals getting emotional for some unknown reason and begging Trump to fix this alleged problem, all the while whining about Trump. Liberals are getting trashier and trashier by the day...

 

By all means provide some evidence, otherwise adding your speculation to the midden heap isn't really impressive at all...

 

If Turkey has the evidence why don't they expel the SA diplomats from their country and shut down the consulate?

 

Disappearance of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi --Why we should care

Because we feel the urge to right every wrong on the planet?

 

Abdication of western values. That gave me a chuckle.

 

We should nuke the Saudis for this...They are Muslims you know?

 

And to sicc the Sauds on their enemies. There is evidence that US Intell knew this was going to happen and we have a recognized duty to warn people of this kind of thing but there was none. I'm willing to lay money Trump involved us deliberately and I think this just one more of the long list of crimes he should be impeached, jailed and executed for if that is merited. LOCK HIM UP!!

 

And if Trump starts scratching his journalist itches in this country that's not the fault of his craven Congress or lickspittle minions either, I guess (and since Kavanaugh is a judge now Trump can do no wrong anyway). Trump's intel knew of this and did not warn the journalist, probably on Trumps say so. That makes Trump complicit to murder LOCK HIM UP!!

 

And what Western Values are those?

Biased press?
Thought policing?
Anti-Free Speech?

or where they some other Western Values?

 

You have a vivid imagination

 

What was going on under Obama? There is no hypocrisy in that US foreign policy has never been led by a set of moral values that you're currently inflamed by.

 

What abdication of what values? Western values or progressive ones?

 

In my opinion, it's a really bad idea to call the ideas of democracy, liberty, toleration ... "Western" values. They are universal values, first seriously embodied -- precariously -- in some Western societies -- we happened to get there first, for what were basically economic reasons.

People in Third World countries who try to stand up for free speech, women's rights, etc. are always branded by their reactionary enemies as stooges of the West. That young woman in Pakistan whom the Taliban tried to murder because they oppose women's education is a case in point. (And their argument, that she was promoting 'Western values' and therefore somehow deserved it, was even shamefully echoed by some so-called 'anti-imperalists' in the West.)

But it's in the interests of everyone on the planet that free speech, democracy, a free press be defended and advanced. These are human values, i.e values of interest to every human -- or, to be precise, every ordinary person. (There are always a few parasites and deluded individuals who benefit (or think they do) from backwardness and oppression.)

Both conservatives and liberals should support free speech. What exactly the American government should do about violations of human rights by another government, if anything at all, is a separate question.

 

Are basic human rights now also a left-right faux political issue?

 

That congressional republicans are repeating same speculation, thus rendering your whiny comments absurd pap? No, I think you can read the news all by your big boy self.

 

Laugh it up....enjoy your 7 day vacation in Yemen. Make sure to wear a shirt with a picture of Mohammed on it, and report back.

 

Any and all speculation is worthless at this point, regardless of who is spewing it. No surprise you jumped right in. Evidence and facts don't seem to matter to you folks anyway...

 

Wetsern values are progressive values, in the context of history and in comparison to countries that do not uphold these values.

But, specifically: rule of rational law, freedom of expression, necessity of a free press, rejection of authoritarianism, rejection of theocracy, classical liberalism, etc.


You really couldn't puzzle all that out for yourself?