Do you have irreconcilable political differences with your family members?

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  1. liberalminority

    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    no it is spousal support, submission can be purchased.
     
  2. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Drugs- what are we all trying to escape?
    We’ve never had it so good if you believe the pundits.
     
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    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    I do not know. I have Autism and Depression -- that is a part of who I am. That makes me different from most people.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Exactly, this is what I find so....shocking about this sort of "absolute" style of thinking. If you vote X then you MUST BE X.

    What the hell?

    I'm a firm believer in judging folks on who they are as individuals regardless of ideology or religion or anything else. That goes even more so for family members who get a proverbial default pass in general for being family.

    Hey friend what sort of hobbies do you enjoy?
    Oh I love fishing and being outdoors and football
    Nice! Sounds just like me
    Hey I have 2 tickets to the game tomorrow, and a boat as well. How about we go see the game and then head out for some fishing?
    Excellent sounds great! Hey who'd you vote for by the way?
    Bernie Sanders, you?
    Oh hell no! The fact that you support Bernie Sanders means you are a socialist piece of crap who wants to steal my money and every single thing in common that we have is completely irrelevant! Take your tickets and your boat and go away, we aren't friends now don't talk to me!

    That sort of nonsense is what's wrong with society as a whole right now and while likely exaggerated is a very real thing that is going on as evidenced by this very thread alone.

    Folks need to seriously, and I mean seriously, grow the hell up.
     
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  5. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    A friend of mine is a degree Autistic. She is one of the most insightful people I know. She is a warm funny person who is very good company.
     
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    Because the evidence of character is in the life lived, not in the noises made.

    A stable man (or woman) who's taken care of the family, worked hard, paid taxes, and kept their nose clean is of good character. Such things are the hallmarks of good character, after all. Pretty hard to argue otherwise. And clearly, a man (or woman) given to failed relationships and/or substance abuse and/or personal instability is not of good character. Pretty hard to argue otherwise.

    Meantime, it may be your personal view that a certain politician is a lying scumbag, but someone else will say exactly the same about your preferred politician. Since you can both find evidence of your accusation (no politician has ever been honest, after all), who is correct? Will you act as the 'religious bigot', and declare your truth the only truth?
     
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    Yes, it's disgusting, and very very sad. All we can do is remember that it reflects entirely upon the character of those who shun over politics, not the person shunned. As you say .. 'grow the hell up'.
     
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    submission isn't a thing. cooperation is the goal.
     
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    I have a huge family.
    We have way bigger (and more immediate) fish to fry than political differences. Ha!
     
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    It is an extension of the sanbox classic; "My dad is stronger than your dad!"

    Grow the hell up indeed.
     
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    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't argue politics with my family. If they ask what I think, I'll tell them, but I won't get into an argument over it. Family harmony outweighs politics.
     
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    Grownups don't vote for commies, pilgrim.
     
  13. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Ok they are children then and not grown ups. That still isn't enough of a reason for me to refuse to befriend them and/or denounce them from my own family...
     
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    character
    /ˈkarəktə/
    noun
    1. 1.
      the mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual.
      "running away was not in keeping with her character"
     
  15. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    In one sense that's true, because communism isn't a function of democracy and therefore can't be 'voted in'. In other it's untrue, because communism only works if it's 100% voluntary - and when done that way it's a significantly more evolved (ie, grown up) economic model than anything yet tried.
     
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    We're talking about GOOD and BAD character, not personality.
     
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    If you do, you might give them some incentive to grow up; and if they refuse to grow up, why would you want friends like that anyway?
     
  18. Sallyally

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    I’m talking about character not behaviour. Ethics, morals.
     
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    It's incredibly precious and weird in an adult, yes.

    PS: If you have a sufficiently civilised family, they'll all turn and stare at the shunner in these situations, not the shunned.
     
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    Anyone can say they believe in this or that - it's the cheapest and easiest 'virtue'. The life lived is the sole evidence of good (or bad) character.

    You must know this. Consider how many religious people claim a certain ethic or morality, then live in contradiction of it. Then again some atheists live more in line with the ethics and morality of the religious. You see the problem with attributing value to words?
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    You don’t believe that words have meaning!
     
  22. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    Definitely. I am grateful to my parents for helping me. I believe in Welfare State and I am grateful to my parents for providing a miniature Welfare State for me.

    I remember my grandmother (RIP) and I pray for her.
     
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    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    US Constitution has many rights. But only a loving family can provide Positive Rights to a person in need -- good food, good housing, good medical care.
     
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    My self confidence isn’t dependent upon sharing my feelings/or beliefs, I don’t need affirmation and I don’t feel compelled to proselytize or impose my thinking on others. If asked my views on a topic, I will answer truthfully. All too often it seems people have intolerance to differences in opinion and think they have a duty to set people straight. I adhere to a code as part of my immutable self defined honor system, that I will not seek to control another nor will I be controlled. I am not a conformist to get along and I do not let others shape my beliefs; not social, not political and not spiritual no do I let anyone manipulate my emotions... except perhaps anger if I see someone hurting a child or someone otherwise defenseless.
    I have been told I am going to hell, that I am crazy, stupid, be accused of a number of things because I don’t share certain opinions. To that I don’t get upset, or the least bit ruffled, but often might respond with an “ok”. But, of those that know me, they know my word is a contract, when someone is in need, I will respond, and I will not run from trouble of any sort.
    My closest two friends (a married couple) are political opposites. But, that doesn’t mean they have opposite values. We share values of honesty, integrity, honor, tolerance of differences of opinion and hold our friendship more important than our political differences. I don’t try to change them and they don’t try to change me. Despite our differences we know when the chips are down we are there for each other.
    I am the same with my family members.
    I defend others for having their own beliefs even if they run counter to mine.

    Funny, in the US I am generally considered conservative but in Northern Ireland where I was raised, I would be labeled a leftist.

    Labels... usually applied by someone else.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Because I like people for who they are as people, not for what they do or do not believe ideologically. I'm a pretty simple guy. If you enjoy the same things that I enjoy and are a respectful person who is easy to get along with then I'll likely hang out with you if you so desire my company.

    But it this way, I absolutely loathe Bernie Sanders and pretty much every single thing that man stands for. I have friends who are die hard Bernie supporters and we hang out often. Their support for Bernie Sanders does not outweigh their good personalities and their love for fishing, beer, and football. Things that I too enjoy as well as their company. Even though I genuinely despise the way they think the world should work ideologically that isn't enough to override the actual friendship I have with them.

    When I meet folks I'm searching for people who share the same hobbies that I do or something else that we may have in common. What somebody believes politically or ideologically is pretty much at the bottom of the list of things I care about. If you tell me you have a cooler of beer and some fishing rods and a free weekend and ask me to tag along I'm going to say hell yes, I'm not going to stop and ask what your political beliefs are to determine whether or not I want to hang out with you...
     

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