There is no such thing as perfection, but there most certainly is 'striving' for perfection. The minute we stop doing that, we fail our kids. There is nothing we shouldn't be willing to do or to sacrifice, for their future.
Usually three. Any beyond that and they start to self-care. ESPECIALLY if there is no father present. You're not very up on this stuff, are you?
What makes me think 'poor people' don't work hard and self-sacrifice, is their abiding poverty. DUH. You have to try pretty hard to stay poor in America. It's incredibly easy to escape poverty, if that's what you want to do. Hopes and dreams for our children are not the same thing as hard work and self-sacrifice for our children. I can sit in my armchair eating cheesburgers, drinking soda, and watching tv while 'hoping and dreaming', or I can get off my arse and sit with them for 2+ hours a day to make sure their homework and additional study is completed, and taking them to the public library, and free museums, and interesting parks, and art galleries, and free science exhibitions, etc etc. Oh .. so you're saying that white Americans are only racist towards particular brown people? You're aware that saying so is kinda nutty, right? Because it immediately reveals not racism, but antipathy for certain cultures.
FoxHastings said: ↑ HOW do YOU intend to improve the human race so everyone is as perfect as the posters here who denigrate any woman who doesn't fit their ideals ? Hilarious! Are you on a world wide TV show that every human sees so they know how perfect people live? No, I didn't say "perfect" was a bad thing, that's your warped interpretation. I used "perfect" as sarcasm since very IMPERFECT people seem to think they are perfect and if other's aren't exactly like them they have something wrong with them....people who think they're perfect have mental issues since no human is perfect and "perfect" is in the eye of the beholder........ Nice sentiment or speech but doesn't change a word of my post.
Not when it comes to our kids. Unless you think that aiming to raise kind, hard working, clean living, responsible, stable, and law abiding young adults is bad?
FoxHastings said: ↑ You do NOT understand that women are NOT robots, not animals ,they do NOT all act exactly the same way nor should they.....your insisting they do is SEXIST, it is the epitome of what sexism is.... NOT only that but to insist a woman "RETREATS" from parenting with each additional child is asinine and illogical.... Let me ask you: How many children does a woman need to have before she can actually stop her parenting, having retreated with every birth, and move out of the house and retire from parenting??? As with your other post you don't refute a word of what I wrote ... I see after three years of age you think children drive each other to school, get jobs and pay the bills and grocery shop and arrange doctor visits, handle emergencies, make their own dentists appointments while mom lounges on the sofa....hilarious....what world do YOU live in...
three CHILDREN, not three years of age. you asked how many kids until they start self caring. jeez louise .. this is exhausting.
Actually, kids do walk themselves to school and I know some who have never seen a dentist. Moms not only lounge on the sofa while the child is in school, she is just as absent when the child returns home. One case, mom was in the bedroom doing drugs with her boyfriend when the child knocked on the door because she was hungry. I will spare you what happened next. Your claim that more kids equal more responsibility is false. Many of these kids are taken and raised in the system while the mother makes even more babies. Is this your idea of responsibility? I wish I could live in your world where neglect and abuse doesn't happen, but your world does not exist.
OK, so a woman has at least three kids so at what age do you think the kids should take over and become parents? Ten? 13? 15? Why should children take on their parents responsibilities? When do they drive each other to school, go to school, get jobs and pay the bills and grocery shop and arrange doctor visits, handle emergencies, have the plumber in, get an estimate on car repair, make their own dentists appointments while mom lounges on the sofa....??? Maybe you had kids to dump your responsibilities on but not all women do...
I am just glad I don't live in your world where women are considered nothing more than brood sows and are thought of as lazy slobs who do nothing..
I have no complaint with them for supporting a higher moral standard, especially when pregnancy is avoidable making abortion unnecessary, with the possible exception of rape, and we could probably reduce the occurrence of that by simple imposition of a mandatory death sentence if convicted of rape, allowing no more than 30 days to appeal before being imposed. No one should have to languish in prison for decades with a death sentence. That's cruel and unusual punishment.
Since you have no way of refuting what I did say, you are deflecting by arguing with something I didn't say.
Usually from about 9 onwards. Why should they? They shouldn't, that's the f'ing point! And plenty of welfare families don't 'drive kids to school', 'get jobs', 'pay bills' 'go to dentists/doctors', 'have the plumber in' or 'get car repairs'.
, I have no complaint with them keeping their "higher moral standard" to themselves and not trying to legislate it. All "moral standards" are not the same and no one person's "moral standards" rule nor should they. , Pregnancy is not always avoidable. Birth control does fail BUT the most important thing is that women are under NO obligation to use birth control. , Men have raped women without stop since humans began....it isn't going to stop or be reduced no matter what. And it has nothing to do with whether a woman has the right to an abortion or not. The biggest hypocrites are those who are against abortion except in the case of rape. Being forced to give birth is also a cruel punishment especially for someone who committed no crime.[/QUOTE]
FoxHastings said: ↑ OK, so a woman has at least three kids so at what age do you think the kids should take over and become parents? Ten? 13? 15? Why should children take on their parents responsibilities? When do they drive each other to school, go to school, get jobs and pay the bills and grocery shop and arrange doctor visits, handle emergencies, have the plumber in, get an estimate on car repair, make their own dentists appointments while mom lounges on the sofa....??? OHH! Now I get you..,...all poor women are lazy slobs who make their children do all the work so they don't have any responsibility ????.....LOL! So typical of those who desperately need to denigrate others to make themselves feel superior since there is no other way they can ....It sounds like one of those CHRISTIAN things... Too bad but I've know poor people who work their asses off, they face worse situations than you ever had, tackle them and fight....they weren't handed a cushy life like some people, they had backbone and courage and took care of themselves... BTW, are there really stats on when poor children start being responsible for their family .....at 9 years??? Have you got the stats???
Decentralized government is the only solution. , With the exception of forcible rape, pregnancy is 100% avoidable. , While it may not be possible to totally eliminate rape, it would likely be reduced greatly if punishable by death. ??? I'm fine with leaving the decision to the woman, who along with the male co-responsible are required to take full responsibility for the cost of their/her decision, present and future.
Says someone who will never be pregnant. Pregnancy is not always avoidable. Birth control does fail BUT the most important thing is that women are under NO obligation to use birth control. , FoxHastings said: ↑ And it has nothing to do with whether a woman has the right to an abortion or not. The biggest hypocrites are those who are against abortion except in the case of rape. What are you questioning, both of my remarks are true. Oh, gosh, I'm sure women everywhere are relieved to hear that ....
Pregnancy IS 100% avoidable. I agree, women are under no obligation to exercise birth control, and that being the case neither should society be under any obligation to offset any hardship as a result. I was questioning what you meant, hypocrites because they would allow abortion in the case of rape?
The attachment in the womb of a sperm fertilized egg entitles one to have a baby. Anything else is mistaken arrogance. If children are allowed to be covered to the age of 25 on health insurance, how is it they are allowed to have sex? They cannot take care of themselves. The only issue is that immigration must be curtailed and reformed at the same time.
The thread title asks "does income entitle one to a child" when the fact is that income enables one to provide for their needs and wants, and if income is insufficient to provide your own needs and wants it would be irresponsible to think about having a child, but then government subsidizes irresponsibility in many forms.
Agree 100%, the question is should lack of income and assets disqualify people from having children and should both males and females be punished for creating children they cannot provide for? Should this be a criminal form of child abuse and child neglect? and if not, why not?
Please show your PROOF that pregnancy is 100% preventable. And not the really stupid idea that women should quit having sex... YES, people who are against abortion but would make an exception for pregnancy due to rape are hypocrites.... The procedure and outcome for abortion due to consensual sex is EXACTLY the same as the procedure and outcome for an abortion due to rape. So they are saying clearly that women must be punished for having consensual sex and the fetus is NOT what they really are concerned about as they claim.
Another great statement from someone who uses the word, "Duh" on a regular basis. Pregnancy is 100% preventable. Unwanted pregnancy is the result of irresponsible behavior.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Please show your PROOF that pregnancy is 100% preventable. COULDN'T DO IT And not the really stupid idea that women should quit having sex... YES, people who are against abortion but would make an exception for pregnancy due to rape are hypocrites.... The procedure and outcome for abortion due to consensual sex is EXACTLY the same as the procedure and outcome for an abortion due to rape. So they are saying clearly that women must be punished for having consensual sex and the fetus is NOT what they really are concerned about as they claim. What's fun is the fact that no woman on earth cares that you think that way So have at it, mumble to your self in corners about how no woman is as perfect as you are, I'm sure you'll be entertained ...
