Science has proven that pregnancy is 100% avoidable. I suppose one can argue that Jesus's mother was a virgin , but who really believes that nonsense? I do enjoy how you twist words to something you can argue with. If I said I was perfect, I would be wrong. You twisted my statement as if it were about women. How can an unwanted pregnancy happen without a male participating in the irresponsible act? Anyway, I don't want to wound any fragile feelings, so I will just have to respect your belief that pregnancy is unavoidable and that squeezing out a baby miraculously makes a woman responsible. There was a woman who said she got pregnant because of something in the air. (It was her legs!)
So while you concede that pregnancy IS 100% preventable, you refuse to accept the fact by accusing those who take personal responsibility of being stupid? I don't view those who are against abortion as being hypocrites for accepting abortion when the pregnancy was NOT a result of consensual sex but a criminal act instead. While I don't support killing other humans in general, I have no problem with the imposition of a death penalty for certain crimes. Rape could be added to that list. Yes, you're correct the abortion procedure is the same, but the cause is not.
When it comes down to it, there are good people on both sides. Some genuinely care for human life while others care more about freedom. Both are good causes.
Abstinence can prevent pregnancy but PREACHING ABOUT IT WON'T AND NEVER HAS. Look at the history of the world which I have as PROOF.....has PREACHING abstinence worked? HAS IT? Birth control use does not mean a woman will never get pregnant. YOU brought up the penalty for rape which is irrelevant and has nothing to do with abortion....YOU are the one not following along. THAT is your weak, nonsensical, irrelevant response to : """""Anti-Choicers are against abortion, allegedly, because they claim a fetus is a person with rights , a Precious Life. Did you read that?? Next, some say they'd make an exception for a pregnancy due to rape. Ask yourself, why isn't THAT fetus a precious life, too? Why did that change for Anti-Choicers? It changed because it wasn't consensual sex......in other words, IF a woman had nonconsensual sex she shouldn't be punished by having to gestate""""" ?????? Pretty WEAK! Uh DUH, ya that was established how many posts ago??? And it wasn't what we were discussing. YOU wanted to know about the Anti-Choicers who would allow abortion in the case of rape and why I said they were hypocrites and now you're shooting our all over in silly segues because you can't seem to address what I posted... Ndividual said: ↑ So while you concede that pregnancy IS 100% preventable, you refuse to accept the fact by accusing those who take personal responsibility of being stupid? FoxHastings: Boy! Is that twisted.....WTF does it mean? And I never conceded pregnancy is 100% preventable...?? WTF are you going on about.
Your first line and your last line say it all. Since pregnancy 100% preventable, you moved the goalpost to Preaching about it. I noticed the word, DUH, used again! A forum member said that insults were a sign of failure. Do you agree with this forum member?
We agree. Practicing, not preaching, does work though. Rape was brought up because it is the ONLY way a responsible woman can become made pregnant. That was explained to you. Abstinence can prevent pregnancy but PREACHING ABOUT IT WON'T AND NEVER HAS. You words, are they not?
I'm female and I think women should stop having sex .. outside of committed and stable relationships. Men too. 'Dangerous' sex (ie, with insufficient or non existent protection) can lead to pregnancy, so should be kept to situations where there are two people committed to and able to raise a child.
And I have the entire history of the world to back up my claim that humans will NOT stop having sex nor do they need to. If they have an unwanted pregnancy all they have to do is get an abortion. Some people with non-existent sex drives would be able to and preach other should too, but that won't stop normal humans from having sex. AND YOU asked why I said anti-Choicers were hypocrites for saying they'd allow abortion in the case of rape.....and when I showed you how they are hypocrites you danced around like your pants were on fire and couldn't address it.... I posted : FoxHastings said: ↑ THAT is your weak, nonsensical, irrelevant response to : """""Anti-Choicers are against abortion, allegedly, because they claim a fetus is a person with rights , a Precious Life. Did you read that?? Next, some say they'd make an exception for a pregnancy due to rape. Ask yourself, why isn't THAT fetus a precious life, too? Why did that change for Anti-Choicers? It changed because it wasn't consensual sex......in other words, IF a woman had nonconsensual sex she shouldn't be punished by having to gestate""""" ?????? Pretty WEAK! And the following is another WEAK reply that meant nothing and said nothing...is nothing all ya got? It's pretty much sheer idiocy to think humans will stop having sex ...but OH you made a point! If all women stop having sex none will get pregnant and if you're a good kid Santa will bring you toys...
What you're suggesting is unnatural. And I have the entire history of the world to back up my claim that humans will NOT stop having sex nor do they need to. If they have an unwanted pregnancy all they have to do is get an abortion. OH, and that "committed" stuff? Ya, 50% of marriages end in divorce so I guess you think no one should have sex... I really feel sorry for anyone who thinks sex is easy to give up.......how awful their experiences must've been....
And I never claimed that humans would or should stop having sex. I simply pointed out that pregnancy is 100% avoidable. And having sex for the PURPOSE of becoming pregnant eliminates unwanted pregnancy, And as long as they do so out of their own pocket, without any government taxpayer subsidization I have no problem with that. Nor will it stop abnormal humans from doing so either, but I simply pointing out a well known fact. Yes, I asked for clarification of your opinion, and I disagreed with it and explained why, which seems to have driven you to a very contentious state of mind. And childish too.
Stating the obvious like "white isn't black" is hardly necessary and has no point. Stating that pregnancy can be avoided 100% through abstinence is just such an obvious thing that it really doesn't need saying..UNLESS you JUST discovered it or thought you were revealing a Big Surprise... Oh ya, anything that you may have paid towards abortion must've really put you into poverty...nevermind how we pay for everyone's kids , the wars we're in or the corruption we pay for over overbloated wages of the rich and politicians who we PAY FOR, just worry about a penny of yours going to an abortion.....Gee, I'm sure to YOU that's common sense. BUT THANK YOU FOR admitting that you're against abortion because you think they use your money and NOT because a Precious Life" is lost UH, you didn't discover that fact, it's pretty well know and has been for centuries ...pointing out the sun rises in the east is hardly news.. No, you never explained why Anti-Choicers are NOT hypocrites if they believe a woman who was raped and got pregnant should be allowed an abortion when other women shouldn't be. NO, you never explained that, you talked about rape being a crime but NEVER addressed the hypocrisy Then quit being as childish as a child who believes in Santa. It's pretty much sheer idiocy to think humans will stop having sex ...but OH you made a point! If all women stop having sex none will get pregnant and if you're a good kid Santa will bring you toys...
Of course almost all welfare should be abolished as we know it today. A eventual government/economic collapse with occur, but for now entitlements that give welfare moms up to $40,000 a year will persist. A better idea is for conservative groups and local governments to offer $200 cash money to any woman from 18 to 50 after she gets her tubes tied. This would appeal to so many females who are very poor, are junkies, alcoholics and with low intelligence---the people least able to care for a child on their own dime.
While there was nothing gained and nothing lost, except for time, I felt a need to state a fact that you made obvious in the attempt to communicate with you. Sorry if you felt it to be an insult, but I felt it to be justifiably true. I'll place you on my ignore list so we won't waste each others time in the future.
Yes, when one can't face facts or ideas that conflict with ones ingrained ideas it's safest to ignore them.
Speaking of being unable to face facts, these remain: Pregnancy is 100% preventable. (You did at least admit to that one) Unwanted pregnancy is the result of irresponsibility. Having a baby does not make a woman responsible. (Thats why CPS is always busy!) People who know nothing about parenting like to give advice on the subject. Income is not a factor in a womans decision to have a child.
Shrug, they might be your "facts" but I've seen how flimsy they are. """Pregnancy is 100% preventable. (You did at least admit to that one)"" Only with the childish dreamers view that women would or should stop having sex. """Unwanted pregnancy is the result of irresponsibility.""" Not always, birth control methods fail and it's very responsible to NOT put drugs or foreign objects in your body. AND it doesn't matter anyway, irresponsible people have the same rights as everyone else and can have abortions I bet anything you wouldn't want your life invaded to see if you are responsible on every level.... """"Having a baby does not make a woman responsible."""" That's why a PARENT doesn't always know about PARENTING! Thank you for admitting that giving birth or fathering a child does NOT automatically make you wise in the way of raising children !! "" (Thats why CPS is always busy!)""" YUP! """""People who know nothing about parenting like to give advice on the subject.""""" How idiotic to claim that one must be a parent to give advice(especially to all those women you think are stupid and irresponsible) How idiotic to claim that being a parent means one knows HOW to parent.....no basis in fact or logic for that claim.. ""Income is not a factor in a womans decision to have a child. """ Facts, real ones not yours, refute that...AND it doesn't matter, women can have all the abortions they want without your approval
I don't agree with pregnancy being 100% preventable unless your talking about abstinence or surgery. Science disproves that statement. I don't think you should have kids if you can not afford it. I don't think it's the laws place to dictate that though. The OP mentioned a case about a man being court ordered to get a vasectomy because he couldn't pay child support. Child support is a joke and speaking from experience as someone who paid it is about anything other then the child. It's a broken system commonly used by Mothers to milk money out of the Fathers. Very few cases of the roles being reversed here. I'd like to know what state that was because I am no lawyer, but that doesn't even sound legal at all and in fact that guy may even have grounds for a lawsuit. That judge can do only one of two things which is order you to pay or lock you up. That is the extent of his legal power. I wish a judge would have said that to me because I would have lit his ass up in a nice military fashion and gave him what for. He'd think twice before saying that again. He is a bill collector. Nothing more and nothing less. That information came to me directly from a judge I had a nice chat with while paying my own bill up. lol Guys stay square with the house and you have no problems. More often then not and the question we should ask beecause this is where income comes in to play is should women be allowed to use that system as their full time job? You guys laugh, but I have personally seen women walk in court with cases on five different Daddies who you can tell made it a career popping babies out of their ass just so they could milk the Fathers for a paycheck. So at what point do you say enough and shut that **** down no exceptions? A system need to be in place that holds both parents accountable. Not just a bill collecting system only, but a real child support system that covers all the aspects of what that word really and truly means. I promise you if you have that people will think twice before irresponsibly having kids. I could be wrong, but I don't so. I think that will change things over an amount of time.
Yes, MEN should think twice, or get a vasectomy, or use a double condom or, as some idiots suggest women do, give up sex. THEN when those "evil" women FORCE ( ) those men to have sex with them so they can get child support those RESPONSIBLE men won't impregnate anyone and their money will be safe! EASY PEASY!!!... See, men can take care of themselves when they learn to think where babies come from.....can't they ? And a system is in place to help the CHILDREN of men who desert their children.
You are the one who seems to lump groups...you know all those who get pregnant to get a man etc. You seem to link the poor with letting the police raise their children while they collect money. You don’t even realize what you are implying It is most commendable that you were adopted this girl and it is also rare that she came forward with her abuse. Most girls just tolerated it.
Can you share this medical expertise with the Pharmaceutical companies who will tell you that birth-control pills are not 100% effective? Can you share this with the condom manufacturers who write on the side that they are not 100% effective?
Not all parents know about parenting, but most do. 100% of those who have never experienced parenting should know that no one respects their opinion on the issue. I didn’t say that non parents don’t give advice; many don’t shut up about it. Worthless advice is everywhere. You seem to have forgotten that I support abortion rights.
Unfortunately, CPS and the police have their hands full. When kids have no father in the home, they find a male roll model somewhere and it is not always a good one. Crime and gangs are high in these areas. Have you ever heard the term, "School to prison"? I was one of the lucky ones. I had a few good teachers who, like you, actually cared and helped me. While we may disagree on the size of this "Group", it does exist and there are not enough people like you in the world. Given your experience, I have the highest respect for your opinion.
