DOJ appoints special counsel to oversee Russia probe

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  1. Jeannette

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    It's just another frustration by the Deep State war mongers, because they can't stand seeing their globalist control of the world in a one world government go down the drain.

    As for Trump, he wonders why a special council wasn't appointed for Obama and Clinton? Well excuse me Donald, maybe you should appoint a special council and start giving the Democrats a bit of their own medicine. I mean they are criminals.

    Instead you're trying to be productive by bringing jobs back, when that's the last thing the globalists want... They want serfs, so they will fight you all the way. Get rid of them, and get some honesty and integrity back into the government. Why if you did, we might even forgive you for bombing Syria when you knew it was a false flag attack...

    Here's a response to Trump from the Duran.


    Of course, Trump does seem to have a point that after all the revelations of intentional evidence destruction (remember BleachBit), despite the known existence of a Congressional subpoena, intentional violations of the Federal Records Retention Act, secret Bill Clinton meetings with the Attorney General on Phoenix tarmacs and the passing out of immunity deals “like they were candy” by former FBI Director Comey, it does seem curious that no special counsel was ever appointed to look into Hillary’s case. Will Trump now insist that one be appointed?
     
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    Just noting it.
     
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    It sent a pretty big message and it was his opinion as their employer and President. And then of course the message former President Clinton sent to Lynch who then sent her message to Comey.
     
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    You are being way too nice in your adjectives that deal with Rush Limbaugh and Breitbart.
     
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    Evidence of what and against whom? What is the probable cause here?

    Which is what the FBI has been doing for months, what evidence is there? What is this OIC going to do better than what the FBI has been doing it IS the FBI that will be doing these investigations for that office.

    I know of only one between Russia and the campaign and that was Flynn telling the Russian ambassador Russia should not over react to the sanctions that had just been imposed which in and of itself no big deal and certainly not a crime by even the most outlandish reading of it and certainly not weird. What else was there between the campaign and Russia?

    Yes Flynn what other undisclosed contacts between the campaign and Russia and I don't think campaigns are restricted from such discussions with foreign countries and their diplomats.

    Nope.

    Oh I agree he is his own worst enemy but for an OIC there is normally clear evidence of a crime that needs to be investigated and we still do not have that other than Flynn accepting money he did not report, had he not been an ex flag officer he would not have been required to report it you know. What is this clear evidence a crime has been committed?
     
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    There still is honest DP opposition, but many Democrats voted for Trump . Those Democrats are now part of the opposition to the bipartisan political class - they support Trump.

    Here is an example of what the honest left that still opposes Trump warning the DP:

    “The principal problem for Democrats is that so many media figures and online charlatans are personally benefiting from feeding the base increasingly unhinged, fact-free conspiracies — just as right-wing media polemicists did after both Bill Clinton and Obama were elected — that there are now millions of partisan soldiers absolutely convinced of a Trump/Russia conspiracy for which, at least as of now, there is no evidence. And they are all waiting for the day, which they regard as inevitable and imminent, when this theory will be proven and Trump will be removed.


    Key Democratic officials are clearly worried about the expectations that have been purposely stoked and are now trying to tamp them down. Many of them have tried to signal that the beliefs the base has been led to adopt have no basis in reason or evidence.” THE INTERCEPT, Key Democratic Officials Now Warning Base Not to Expect Evidence of Trump/Russia Collusion, Glenn Greenwald, March 16 2017.
    https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16...-to-expect-evidence-of-trumprussia-collusion/
     
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    I certainly hope you're right. The country needs a credible opposition party but right now the Dems ain't it. Perhaps this MSM fed controversy going to the court will allow them time to get re-organized and give the whole matter more thought.

    One of their first actions should be to fight for free speech on campuses. Those riots and violence are causing a great deal of concern for those whose voices are only being heard during elections.
     
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    The universities are beyond reform they are money pits. All Americans should demand that these obsolete medieval land based institutions be replaced with far superior inexpensive online options.
     
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    It's just another frustration by the Deep State war mongers, because they can't stand seeing their globalist control of the world in a one world government go down the drain.

    As for Trump, he wonders why a special council wasn't appointed for Obama and Clinton? Well excuse me Donald, maybe you should appoint a special council and start giving the Democrats a bit of their own medicine. I mean they are criminals.

    Instead you're trying to be productive by bringing jobs back, when that's the last thing the globalists want... They want serfs, so they will fight you all the way. Get rid of them, and get some honesty and integrity back into the government. Why if you did, we might even forgive you for bombing Syria when you knew it was a false flag attack...

    Here's a response to Trump from the Duran.


    Of course, Trump does seem to have a point that after all the revelations of intentional evidence destruction (remember BleachBit), despite the known existence of a Congressional subpoena, intentional violations of the Federal Records Retention Act, secret Bill Clinton meetings with the Attorney General on Phoenix tarmacs and the passing out of immunity deals “like they were candy” by former FBI Director Comey, it does seem curious that no special counsel was ever appointed to look into Hillary’s case. Will Trump now insist that one be appointed?
     
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    Americans will not object much to airstrikes in Syria. They will have a problem with anything that even hints at a new ground war in the ME.
     
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    Trump is going to fire someone for lying? Now I might actually believe that Flynn was fired for being caught lying except for the fact that the more logical reason was that Flynn was becoming too much of a political liability for Trump and the Trump administration.

    I don't think there is any actual evidence of Trump actually caring for anyone except himself and possibly his children and Flynn is a bit too old to be Trump's child.
     
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    Yep we win again!
     
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    Be careful of what you think you won. What exactly is it BTW. This will go silent now any potential witnesses will have their lawyers instruct them to shut up and refuse to appear before the Congressional committees.

    So what exactly do you think moving this a separate office headed by Mueller but staff by the same people will accomplish that isn't being accomplished now?
     
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    I wouldn't be to sure.

    Obama and Hillary probably aren't happy campers with Muller being in charge. The investigation can go any where even back too Hillary's crimes and Obama's obstruction of justice when Obama not behind closed doors but on national television told FBI Director Comey that Hillary did no wrong and there should be no prosecution of Hillary. That's obstruction of justice.

    A few days later Comey goes on television repeating the same words as Obama and Hillary will not be prosecuted for all of her crimes.

    Then there's Bill Clinton meeting Obama's Attorney General on the tarmac in Phoenix.

    So many freaking red flags !!!

    Attorney General Lynch was flying from Washington DC to Los Angeles. (LAX) Lynch said that her plane (Gulfstream) had to land to refuel. The Lynch's Gulfstream is capable of flying from DC to LAX and back again without refueling.

    If the Gulfstream did needed to be refueled it would have landed at Luke AFB not at Sky Harbor airport.

    Very suspicious that Bill Clinton was allowed access on to the tarmac area which is restricted at Sky Harbor and was there when Lynch's aircraft landed.

    How did Bill Clinton know it was Attorney General Lynch's aircraft since there are no markings on the aircraft identifying the aircraft being a federal government aircraft ?

    Was the meeting between Bill Clinton and Obama's Attorney General all pre-planned ? Sure looks like it.

    Muller will find out.
     
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    Gee, Investor's Business Daily. Another site with a very fringe editorial stance.

    Let's look at the specifics, shall we?

    • Clinton Foundation received donations from Russia. Yes, it is a foundation. The amount of Russian money was a tiny, tiny share of the overall fundraising for the foundation. And of course, none of that money ends up in the Clinton's pockets.
    • Sale of Uranium One. This is a long-discredited bullshit criticism. Yes, the State Department had to approve that sale -- and so did EIGHT OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. And there is no evidence of Clinton involvement in the decision, which is typically carried out at levels far below her office.
    • John Podesta sat on board of a "Kremlin-financed" company. Only true if you consider "American startup raised millions of dollars, 5% of which came from a Russian investment company" means "Kremlin-financed" in any meaningful way.
    • Tony Podesta. Seriously? Now we're going to "brother of a colleague"? How does this tie back to Clinton in any way? And he was part of a LOBBYING FIRM. The firm had $24 million in annual revenue, of which just $170,000 came from Russian firms. This is not a meaningful connection.
    • John Breaux. Again, seriously? A former senator who helped fundraise for Clinton's 2008 campaign. How does this tie back to Clinton in any way?
    The point is not that any connection to Russia is illegal or suspicious. The point is the kind of contacts one has, and whether one is beholden to Russia in some way. Which is why Trump refusing to release his tax returns, while it is known he has at least $100 million in business interests in Russia, is more interesting than anything listed above. And it's why the FBI is investigating possible COLLUSION between Trump aides and Russia, not merely "talking to Russians."
     
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    Neither is there anything 'illegal or suspicious' regarding the President's connection with Russia either, apart from that suggested by the conspiracy theorists.

    This is the most 'illegal and suspicious' action ever taken by a US President. You must be really outraged.
     
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    Mueller has the authority to go anywhere the investigation leads him. Comey has notes and some I am sure will also have the Clinton name on them.
     
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    I would suggest you watch the video "Clinton Cash".
     
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    *Shrug.* I guess we'll find out when the FBI completes its investigation. Apparently the FBI disagrees with you.
     
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    Um, okay. So nothing but speculation then.

    If that happens, it happens. But it is wishful thinking to assume it will.
     
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    I don't watch videos. Not only do I not have the time, but they're too easy to make misleading. I deal in primary sources and written material.
     
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    Primary sources? CNN ? MSNBC ? ABC ? NBC ? CBS?
     
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    By "primary sources" I mean the people who actually did the reporting or performed the study, plus written analysis of their work.

    If "Clinton Cash" is a documentary, it undoubtedly relies on written documents to support its claims. So link me to those.
     
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    The book is available on Amazon and in book stores and libraries. The book has footnotes and sources. Peter Schweizer is the author.
     
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    Okay. I will take a look.
     

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