DOJ appoints special counsel to oversee Russia probe

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  1. Diamond

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    Maybe you're correct. Maybe they just said they were hunting a witch and I confused that to be the same thing as a witch hunt.
     
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    I still have no idea what you are talking about in terms of a claim I have made without evidence.

    Yes, did that. Here are the steps and the results:

    1. Start typing "Bloomingdale" in the search box, and select the neighborhood when its name pops up.
    2. Click "Last 12 months" at the bottom of the screen.

    The map is unclear about the boundaries of the neighborhood. It looks like it is bounded by Channing, North Capitol, Florida and 2nd Street.
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/B...ddec7a8b5d9d76!8m2!3d38.9176761!4d-77.0118246

    Here is what the crime map looks like for that area:

    dc_crime.PNG

    Florida Ave. is the street angling up to the left at the bottom of the map. North Capitol is the big street to the right. The white line going top to bottom is 2nd Street. And Channing is the short east-west street at the very top.

    By my count, there were a total of 229 crimes committed last year ENTIRELY within Bloomingdale, not counting those right on the edges, where it's not clear if they were in Bloomingdale or just outside of it.

    Now, that is total crime. Selecting for individual crimes in the same area yields the following count:
    Robberies: 29
    Assault with a deadly weapon: 2
    Homicide: 1 (Seth Rich)

    So I don't see where your numbers are coming from. Were you misreading the borders? Were you using the wrong time-frame?

    Again, you are factually wrong. As of 2013, there were gunspotter systems in about 1/3 of DC. And they aren't concentrated in wealthy areas: they are concentrated (duh) in places where gun crime is the highest.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/local/dc-shot-spotter/

    There's an interactive map on that page. You can see that there have been plenty of gunshots in Bloomingdale.

    You are making a lot of very confident assertions on the basis of almost no information. People get shot in muggings all the time. Quite often, it's not even the mugger's intent: they just react (like, when someone flees). And quite often, having pulled the trigger, they realize they just did something really, really bad that could put them in jail for decades, and they run without stealing anything. This is a VERY common occurrence.

    So no, despite your best efforts, nothing about the situation is particularly suspicious.

    He died in a HOSPITAL. So yes, we know what killed him. Further, you now have to believe that not only are the D.C. police in on the conspiracy, but so are the hospital staff. There is just nothing plausible about that whole theory.

    You still lack any evidence AT ALL to support such a claim.

    And this is completely unsupported by anything at all. You are now doing nothing but spreading false rumors and conspiracy theories.

    Please cite a single credible source for that claim.

    Rich worked for the DNC, so it is entirely plausible that emails to/from him ended up in the WikiLeaks dump. But if you are saying the computer contained ALL the emails sent to WikiLeaks, I think you are lying.

    WTF does that have to do with anything?

    And now you're trying to push the laughable "Clinton death list."

    Go peddle your baseless conspiracy theories somewhere else.
     
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    First of all you obviously didn't use the filters, second why aren't you giving me an entire screen shot? Without a full screen shot I don't even know what year you are looking up. Like this;
    upload_2017-5-19_18-42-24.png
    Now I did my job, you tell me what evidence there was to support a crime wave. You tell me what evidence there is to support a robbery or a mugging if nothing was taken. You explain to me how the only White guy to get killed in Washington DC for the entire year of 2016 just happened to be Seth Rich (who was just coincidentally a DNC staffer, placed on the Hillary team, and in possession of the exact DNC emails on his computer that Wikileaks leaked). Am I saying that the Metropolitan Police were in on it, "yes." The DOJ was in on it, "yes". The Secret service was in on it, "yes". This was an assassination plain and simple. This ain't my first rodeo. Now in Chicago they might do things a little different, New York, or even in Minnesota, etc, but this it how it's done here. I was born and raised here, I know how it works, I know the element and I know the players. It really doesn't matter what you think you'd like to believe.
     
  4. raytri

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    Ah, thought so. It is you who is incorrect.

    Your map is the information for the last 30 days, not the last year. Look at the date range on the slider in your screenshot.

    Here is the robbery information for the last 12 months, showing 29 robberies wholly within Bloomingdale:

    bloomingdale_robbery_last12.PNG

    If you set the date range for the year prior to Seth Rich's death, and choose "assault with a dangerous weapon", you'll get 10 incidents. So no, there was nothing particularly weird about someone in that neighborhood being shot.

    I don't think I ever claimed there was a "crime wave." But I have now shown you that robberies and shootings regularly occur in Bloomingdale, and I showed you a gunshot map indicating that gunshots are regularly heard in Bloomingdale. They aren't super common: It works out to about one assault and three robberies per month. But they aren't out of the ordinary.

    I've already explained this twice. It's what the police think, too. It's also what the FBI thinks, since they didn't think it worthy of investigating.

    Just do a Google search for "robbery gone wrong", and you'll get lots of current examples.

    Because D.C. is 70% black, and most of the crime is in poor areas. If you are a white guy living in D.C., you stand a really good chance of working for something connected to politics.

    It is not weird at all for a DNC staffer to be "on Hillary's team", and this is D.C., the nation's capital: Shoot a random white guy, and there's a pretty good chance you just shot someone connected to politics.

    This is completely false. Please provide a source or admit you are making it up.

    Don't forget the hospital staff. And the family. And the FBI, apparently, since they declined to investigate.

    Your "theory" is completely loony.

    Sure it was.
     
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    Yes. The left has told this lie so many times.
     
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    Trump is THE MASTER liar - it is the one thing he really does excel at - TELLING LIES.
     
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    That screenshot is of all crimes (note the different icons). Washington DC is not 70% Black, I have no idea why you are using fake numbers when I already provided you with real numbers. And not all White guys in DC work in politics, you are now stereotyping. You are basing you conclusion on facts not in evidence while ignoring facts that are in evidence. I have already linked these facts in evidence, if you missed them then you should revisit my prior posts. Chances are if I underlined something then there should be a link attached, try clicking on them.
     
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    I guess it takes one to know one. I listened to what he said, he was making a joke about the missing 30,000 emails and said something about maybe Russia could find them. Dems like to distort words to mean something entirely different than what was meant. Trump calling on the NRA to assassinate Clinton was another example as is Muslim "ban". Can you guys make any point without lies, distortions, and misleading statements?
     
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    Maybe you don't understand the concept that a well landed joke makes for good entertainment (i.e. Trump won the election), but you can always tell the difference between someone seriously doing something unethical from those that are just joking by how publicly they go about it. Real criminals (i.e. like Hillary) don't like to draw attention, while entertainers (i.e. like Trump) do.
     
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    What makes you say that?
     
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    I thought I just explained that. What part of what I said are you having difficulty understanding? If you see a potential break down in my logic then that would be a great starting point to reference.
     
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    What logic? I responded to a poster who said Trump told Russia to hack her emails and stated that he distorted what Trump said and what he did was make a joke about it. So what's your problem?
     
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    No, that is just how that site displays clusters. If you click on the cluster, it resolves down to just robberies. Further, note the URL, with #robbery included.

    If you disagree, please provide your own screenshot with the proper date range of what you think is just robberies.

    FYI, here is the screenshot for all crimes for the last year:

    bloomingdale_all_last12.PNG

    Sorry, I was pulling old numbers. D.C. is 50% black. However, the point about crime being concentrated in poor areas is correct. And those areas are also mostly black.

    I never said ALL white guys in D.C. work in politics. I'm just pointing out that a murder in Washington, D.C. is more likely to involve someone who works in national politics than, say, a murder in Brainerd, Minnesota. Especially if that person is white.

    In addition, you for some reason focused on UNSOLVED murders, not total murders. When you look at total murders in Washington, D.C., white males are a very small share of murders. So it is not suspicious that the unsolved pool would have only one white male victim in it.

    Here is the Metropolitan Police report from 2015, the most recent one available:
    https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/f...tachments/MPD Annual Report 2015_lowres_0.pdf

    Go to Page 27. You will see that in 2015, there were 162 total homicides, of which SIX involved a white-male victim. The vast majority of victims -- 138 -- were black males.

    The "facts" of yours that I have checked have either been wrong (the amount of crime in Bloomingdale) or irrelevant (claiming there is something suspicious about Rich being the only white male whose murder remains unsolved). And you have NOT provided any evidence of your claim that Rich had the WikiLeaks documents on his computer.
     
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    I already did provide my own screen shot, you just choose to ignore it. Overall the statistics only confirm that Whites in the Nation's Capital are the least likely to be targeted, but I focused specifically on unsolved homicides because this happens to be an unsolved homicide. So now if you're able to show me that out of those "total" homicide statistics that victims with political affiliation also were more likely to be white then I'd love to see it, but so far all I've heard from you is stereotypical speculation. Although this is not in the opinion section I do recognize that people do have personal opinions that sometime cloud their judgement, so I have to ask you, "have you ever personally committed a crime?" I ask you only to better understand your intuition in such matters.
     
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    I didn't ignore it. I pointed out that your screenshot showed just one month of data, not a full year as you claimed. Look at the screenshot you uploaded; look at the "Time range" in the lower left. It is only a single month.

    Please acknowledge this, or else I will have to conclude you are deliberately lying.

    Your focus on unsolved homicides was intended to imply that it's weird that only one of 65 unsolved homicides involved a white victim. I pointed out that white murder victims are rare overall in D.C., so it is not weird that Seth Rich's murder is the only unsolved homicide involving a white victim.

    Do you deny that a white person living in central D.C. is more likely to be working in national politics than a similar white person living in rural Minnesota?

    Because that's the only point I was trying to make.

    How is that relevant? And how do you define "crime"? Do traffic offenses count? Getting undercharged at the cash register? Or are we talking just murder, robbery, etc.? Maybe explain what you're getting at, and I can tell you if I have any relevant experience.
     
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    My screenshot was for the past 12 months (showing only robberies, as that what police claimed was currently plaguing the area). And to answer your question about White people in DC being primarily involved directly with politics that's what I expect you to prove by reviewing victims of crime that happened to be White in DC. And when I asked you about any personal experience with crime that promotes your intuition about crime, I meant any crime.
     
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    No, it did not.

    Here is the post containing your screenshot:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ee-russia-probe.504990/page-7#post-1067494117

    Here is the time range on YOUR screenshot:
    upload_2017-5-21_8-29-49.png

    Does that look like 12 months to you?

    We cannot go any further until you acknowledge that your screenshot was wrong. This is a question of a simple, objective fact.

    There are no crime statistics that break out murder victims in that way. But logically, the point is sound.

    Still not sure what your point is. I have had several traffic violations in my life. I have been undercharged for things, and not always been able to get that corrected. I may still be a wanted man in New York State due to unpaid parking tickets from 30 years ago. If you could explain your purpose, I might be able to give more relevant answers.
     

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    Now you're claiming he didn't call for a complete Muslim Ban? :rolleyes:
     
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    He didn't. If he was trying to ban Muslims, he missed 9 out of 10 countries with a top 10 Muslim population. He's trying to keep idiots like you safe in your sheltered little world.
     
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    I'm speaking of during the campaign - “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-trumps-call-to-ban-muslim-immigrants/419298/
     
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    My point for anyone with criminal experience, is that the first priority is to be discrete but the second is to achieve a goal (seconded only by the first objective). I have been involved in robberies, muggings, murder, assault (and some petty traffic cases). In all of them I followed these two objectives. I have been caught and prosecuted for some of them and I have gotten away with many more. I understand what makes a person in prison a target and what makes a person on the streets a target, I know the rules of engagement, the rules of concealment, the rules of limiting collateral damage. Now it's true that not every criminal is so intuitively aware, but those that aren't generally don't last long. However, in this case here we are talking about a rare and unique case that wasn't exactly sloppy. I wouldn't have even risked targeting someone between 4 am and 6 am anywhere under any circumstances. My window of opportunity was always between midnight to 3am, the one time I did break that rule and shot a person just after 6 am I was caught (although it took them two months), however I also did that shooting in-front of several close witnesses that knew me. I still walked right past responding officers in that case. The only reason I was caught was because people that I was with (that had witnessed it) later had separate disagreements with me and used the knowledge of that shooting to remove me from separate situations. In this case here we know that two assailants were present according to surveillance cameras that caught images of the fleeing from across the street. Even without personal disagreements the current reward for an arrest stands at $175,000 in the case of Seth Rich. All the loyalty in the world cannot protect the "average" person from reward offers like that.

    Lets just put this into perspective for a moment; say I was out with a buddy and we spotted a potential random victim (isolated and secluded) because they were drawing attention to themselves in the middle of empty streets by gabbing on their cell phone. At best, a score of possibly a couple hundred dollars. I felt safe with the confrontation because I knew that we had a gun for cases of a worse-possible-scenario. So even though the timing was risky I decided "what the hell." So we approached and demanded "whatever", but the target was stubborn so we got a little more forceful in our persuasion by punching him in the face a few times. But they successfully escaped and made a run for it, not knowing that we had a gun that could catch them faster than they could escape. Now lets say it was my close friend that pulled the gun and fired, two rounds in the back dropping the victim. At that point only two things are going through a co-defendant's mind; they are either not happy or they are happy, which is going to be confirmed by their next action (they'll either run or they'll complete the robbery. In this case, no robbery occurred. Meaning that they didn't leave satisfied, instead they left out of either fear or disappointment of how challenging thing developed. Either way, if I wasn't the shooter and my buddy and I were originally desperate enough to escalate this situation for "maybe" a few hundred buck, but now $175,000 was being offered, my "lifelong-friend" would be short (because he doesn't have $175,000 to pay for my silence). If $175,000 reward was not enough for me to roll-over on the shooter than the possibility of scoring at most a couple hundred dollars would never have been appealing enough to take the risk in the first place.

    Typically the reward is only $25,000; which isn't enough for bail, a lawyer, or 20 years of commissary. But $175,000 is hard to turn the other cheek at. The idea that no one has done so suggest that this was already paid for in excess of the offered reward.
     
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    So instead he banned immigration from countries that have never sent us a terrorist, while ignoring the countries that have actually sent us terrorists. Yeah, that makes sense....
     
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    He banned immigration from Muslim countries where we aren't able to sufficiently investigate their backgrounds. Saudi Arabia and other Muslim nations not on the list, fully cooperate with the US to do so.
     
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