Donald Trump 'orders immediate and full withdrawal of US troops from Syria'

Ask a Muslim: "did Allah get it wrong when he said to kill apostates?" I HAVE, and at least they are, uh, 100% consistent in their answers (isn't consistency a good thing??)

 

Are they?

No, they are not. The issue is controversial among muslim scholars.

 

Home? What home?

 

Absolutely wrong. Those tribes are all Muslims all fighting each other for thousands of years.

 

Because the other guy is the "wrong type of Muslim" - you know, "not real Muslims!"

 

You couldn't BE more wrong as verse after verse in the Islamic texts shows that Allah/Mohammad/companions approve of killing those who dare to leave Islam.
Can we both agree that if YOU were Allah that YOU would have told Mohammad that he got that wrong regarding death for apostasy? Can we, Pro_Line_FL?

 

You've never asked a Muslim "if Allah told Muslims to kill apostates, just for leaving Islam, would you say that Allah got that morally wrong?"

 

It's NOT A CHOICE! I have to go with science, and reason, and critical thinking, and those 3 obviously CAN'T lead one to believe in a book that has dragons and unicorns in it like the Bible has. So it's not a choice.

 

You don't believe a book that says humans were molded from clay and brought to life with a golem spell? What's wrong with you?

 

I suppose they have no other choice. If they run into problems with Bashar the Butcher, Russia can own that, as they deserve to.

 

You said I can ask muslims about it, and they'd all give the same answer, but the exact opposite is true. It is one of the most disagreed upon verses in islam.

 

Whatever gets you through the dark of the night.

 

So Donald put his foot down... wonder how that went down with Bolton, Pence and Pompeo. Reality is that reconstruction of Syria cannot begin unless the US withdraw because they control 90% of Syria's oil rich areas. I believe Iran, Russia and Turkey have an agreement to develop and reconstruct the Syrian oil industry. I'd say Erdogan just went and killed himself two birds with one stone... Kurds and oil

 

Whatever helps ease your thanatophobia.

 

I realize that many people don't like to read long comments so I'll try to outline the Syria conflict concisely. Basically, there's four key players in Syria; Bashar al Assad, (the Syrian government), Russia, Iran and the U.S.

But, whose side are they on?


The Syria crisis is an ongoing war that is a multi-sided armed dispute fought primarily between the government of President Bashar al-Assad and his supporters with several forces opposing the government. ... Russia and Hezbollah support the Syrian government by providing military power. Essentially, Bashar al-Assad is trying to hold onto his power and when protests against him and his government began in 2011 he gave orders to crush the dissent, rather than tolerate it.

The United States has been leading an international coalition of nearly 60 countries, including Germany, targeting ISIS and other extremist groups with airstrikes since late 2014. The US backs Syrian rebels fighting ISIS and has a base in al-Tanf, near the Iraqi border.

Russia: Moscow has long backed the Assad regime. It has provided government troops with air support and weapons and given it diplomatic backing at the UN and in international peace talks. Russia also has troops on the ground. Moscow wants to keep Assad — its closest ally in the Middle East — in power and secure its military influence in the region. It has an important military airbase in the western province of Latakia and a naval base in the Syrian port city of Tartus.

- Who it's fighting against: Russia first intervened in Syria in October 2015 when it started airstrikes against "terrorist" targets. While Moscow has said it is targeting IS and other terrorist groups, US officials have repeatedly countered that claim by saying Russian airstrikes are primarily directed against non-IS rebel forces fighting the Assad government. The Kremlin, meanwhile, has accused the US of using its campaign against IS as a way to slow Russian and Syrian government military advances.

- What it wants: Moscow wants to keep Assad — its closest ally in the Middle East — in power and secure its military influence in the region. It has an important military airbase in the western province of Latakia and a naval base in the Syrian port city of Tartus. Russian leaders support a peace deal with broad consensus among Syria's moderate factions that would allow Assad to remain in power. It has also hinted it may support limited autonomy for opposition forces in certain regions within Syria.

Iran
- Who it supports: Tehran has supported the Assad government since at least 2012, giving the regime extensive military aid in the form of training, weapons and intelligence sharing. It has also deployed Iran's elite military force, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), and Shiite militia from across the region. Its ally Hezbollah in Lebanon is also a major backer of the Assad regime.

Turkey: From the start of the Syrian civil war, Turkey has been one of the main backers of the Syrian opposition. Turkey has fought alongside non-Kurdish factions in the Syrian opposition including the Free Syrian Army (FSA).

conclusion: United States sided with rebels and provided them help. Russia and Iran sided with Assad. Those two countries is the reason behind Syria not falling to rebel forces. Turkey on the other hand, sided with United States. It started to act like a proxy for helping rebel forces in Syria. Erdogan the prime minister/dictator/sultan/supreme leader, of Turkey established his internal politics on "removing Assad from power".

Here's why I'm against the abrupt withdrawal of our troops from Syria. Russia is sabre rattling in the Arctic (building up military) and claiming it's going to renew its intermediate range missiles because the U.S. is pulling out of that treaty. Russia is going to have free rein with Syria and it's going to align with Iran and have much bigger influence with Iran in the Middle East which is something we don't want happening.

We made some mistakes after 9/11 when we were attacked. We unfortunately didn't take advantage of the fact the whole world including Iran offered to help us. Based on flawed intelligence we went into Iraq and we're paying a huge price for that. In addition to that failed and failing governments in the Middle East have spawned a much larger and complex terror movement which is pledged to attack us and our interests in the region and in America or along our borders if they can get there.

We need to have a presence and a strategy to our presence which comes up with a way to help governments help themselves in the region and prevent attacks against U.S. interests there or anywhere else.

 

So ask Muslims this: "If Allah did, for argument's sake here, say to kill people who simply leave Islam, would you say that Allah got that wrong morally?" This gets past what is the proper INTERPRETATION of Islam, and gets to the real issue: the moral level of that particular Muslim. I've never seen a Muslim pass this line of questioning - Modern Secular Humanists yes, Muslims no.

 

God bless America!

 

Women are made from the man's rib.....so women are inferior to men, apparently.

 

Which god? There are thousands to chose from (that's because no "all-powerful/all-loving" god is actually real enough to differentiate himself from the thousands of pretenders.)

But I do agree that being willing to withdraw from a war zone, because our Islamic enemy has been defeated there, is a great thing.

 

SADDAM was known as "The Butcher of Baghdad".....what is it about Muslims and slaughter? It's almost as if their role model (Mohammad) was himself a brutal man?

 

I'll wager Bashar and Saddam both are/were not particularly religious or motivated by religion to do what they have done.

 

No, not very religious. They just wanted their power, and to stay in power.

 

If anyone believes this Biblical folklore, it would mean that men have one less ribs than a woman. They don't and even the Biblical Adam wasn't missing a rib. Interestingly ribs are one of the few bones in the body that can grow back if removed as long as the periosteum, the tissue around the bone, is left intact. So even Adam would have had the same number of ribs as everyone else.


"the hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world"

 

The USA has no business being in Syria, let the Russian and Iranians handle it.

 

It was a bargain. The price for the original request was an arm and a leg, but Adam settled for whatever he could get for a rib.