Donald Trump 'orders immediate and full withdrawal of US troops from Syria'

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL.

    that is a lie.
     
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    Shia against Sunni, both Islamic religions. Simple but complicated...

    Sunni–Shia relations have been marked by conflict, particularly the Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict. Factional violence persists from Pakistan to Yemen and is a major element of friction throughout the Middle East and South Asia. Tensions between communities have intensified during power struggles, such as the Bahraini uprising, the Iraq War, and most recently the Syrian Civil War and in the formation of the self-styled Islamic State of Iraq and Syria that has launched a genocide against Shias.
     
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    I'm glad I'm able to educate you on this issue, Ronstar. You know as much about Islam as I know about the intricacies of Malaysian underwater basket weaving!
    8:39: "And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]....." https://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=8&translator=5&mac=
     
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    Too bad "Allah" is not actually real or he'd of course (being all-powerful and all) have educated them over the centuries and they'd be as one to fight against the infidels, and not fight amongst themselves all the time, of course.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    very very dishonest of you to cut off the quote mid-sentence.

    but highly expected of you.

    Quran 8:39:

    And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

    or

    And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.

    or

    And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
     
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    Why does the Bible sound so much like a fairy tale?

    Edit: Oh, I know, nevermind.
     
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    Yes, fight us until we become Muslims. You forgot this part: "(disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]"
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the quote says stop fighting us if we stop persecuting Muslims, and then God will judge our actions.

    you cut out that part of the quote because it fails to conform to your Alt-Right political agenda.

    sad bro, very very sad. You think we would fall for such dishonest bullshit?

    LOL!!!!
     
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    We have every right to fight Jihadists (we can't have Sharia Law), fight communists, fight totalitarian governments (too bad we support so many ourselves, however), etc.
     
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    Persecuting by not letting Sharia spread!
     
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    "and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]".....this sounds like if Hitler had said "fight all non-Nazis until everybody becomes a Nazi!
     
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    LOL...keep digging that hole bro.

    you got caught. deal with it.

    the quote is about non-Muslims persecuting Muslims, and to fight those non-Muslims until such time as they end the persecution.


    You....got....caught.

    :p
     
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    "Or convert to Islam" - I should have added, to be fair. But still, not an option.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Christianity says all who are not for Christ are the Anti-Christ.

    Joseph Stalin, Mao Tsetung and Adolf Hitler were all Secular Humanists.
     
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    sorry bro but Hitler, Mao, Stalin were all Secular Humanists.
     
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    You couldn't BE more wrong - it says ""39 And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ].....", NOT "fight them until the stop persecuting us"! It says to stop killing us when we stop being disbelievers or polytheists.
     
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    the quote says if they desist in their persecution of Muslims, God will evaluate their actions:

    but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
     
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    You are correct. Although Richard Dawkins says Hitler was a Roman Catholic.
    That's why I advocate Modern Secular Humanism, which is of course big on democracy (Sam Harris, et al), unlike (obviously) those you just mentioned. I do condemn those that don't believe in democracy/freedom, regardless of whether "Secular Humanists", or religious, etc. I never leave out the word "Modern" when I praise Modern Secular Humanists.
     
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    The quote says that they should fight non-Muslims as long as the non-Muslims persercute Muslims..until Islam takes over.

    But..if the non-Muslims stop persecuting Muslims, take a step back and God will judge them.

    this is the most honest understanding of the quote.
     
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    I won't derail anymore, but it says "39 And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ].....SO THEIR SOLUTION IS TO CONVERT US TO ISLAM BY FORCE.
     
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    LOLOLOLOL!!!!

    absolute ****ing nonsense.

    Hitler was an Atheist, who worshipped himself and his "race".

    he believed that Mankind should make all laws regarding morality.

    he was the quintessential Secular (rejected all deities) Humanist (believed Mankind could and should develop all codes of morality.
     
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    At least we both agree that God/Jesus in the Bible are evil.
     
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    ....unless the non-Muslims stop persecuting Muslims. If that happens, then take a step back and let God judge the actions of the non-Muslims.

    you're refusal to acknowledge this is pathetic and dishonest.
     
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    the worst killers of the 20th century were secular and humanist.

    fact.
     
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    Hitler remained in the church until his suicide. He was likely, like most Christians seem to be, SCARED of the "hell" that the Bible teaches.
     

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