Dudd Vs Phony

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Of course a successful economy is going to be able to have slightly more tax, compared to one being riddled with debt. Isn't that obvious!? As if that is a valid point for anything other then how bad the ALP has run things.

Oh yea, I forget, the ALP supporters cant understand anything beyond their noses as evidenced by the media uptake on Tony's comments about 'fashion'. Does the TV media have brains of there own anymore or is it just a system of promulgating ALP spin!? All the nutters, low paid people, and younger uni folk seem to be on the political left.... so its no wonder they do not see the common denominator there. Australia surely has had enough of this sham government, else our neighbours will start to make irreversible inroads into our economy.

That's the saddest thing about this election, seeing just how dumb the population really is by siding with and swallowing the blatant BS from the ALP... and how short their memory is, no-one could stand Rudd 3 years ago. Kev is just the clown they trot out to thrill the children to get past the post. Everyone with half a brain knows he is a hopeless leader. We really cannot afford this looney crowd to stay in power. Kids these days take this present day life as a bulletproof reality just because they know nothing else - well it was not long about that folks rode in buggies, caught and ate their dinner each day, and took a dump in an outdoor dunny. We need to be smart and truthful and the TV media needs to stop acting like fools being baited by fame, and instead be professional deliverers of accurate information - not hype.

Tony's fashion statement is a good example. He clearly was talking about the process of changing policy generally as he was explaining that they avoid bad policy changes by risking good ones taking a bit longer to come about. All I hear on the TV and social media for the next 18 hours is Tony thinks gay marriage is a fad. F* m some ppl need a brain.

 

It would be great to watch a show that provides more balance! What on earth have you been watching that we haven't??? Low paid with "no brains" seem to be on the right! Pauline Hanson changed this voting demographic significantly!

Labor are by far the economic managers and have proven this to be the case for the past 30 years at least. The coalition rely on lies to try and convince people differently. You never know the tables may change, but unlikely if liberals do not change some of their crazy economic ideals...........relying on the howard era is completely stupid to say the least. He governed during world wide economic prosperity!

This is an example of stupidity. It is measured in "percentage term". You're not related to steph are you?

 

Its all so pro-ALP its sickening..... ABC, SBS, 9, 10 and maybe 7 but they're worm seemed to like Tony so I'm not sure there because I dont watch them much. As I've said before the bolt report is a parody of the other TV channels bias. Most of the TV media just repeat ALP press releases but try and twist out any Lib sentence they can mangle, like the misreporting about the 'fashion' statement as an example. It happens daily and the ALP supporters bombard the stations when the Libs get any positive coverage crying media bias.

Ahhh, no. Hawke and Keating made a mess of it, Rudd and Gillard have made a mess of it. Anything further back is irrelevant. The State ALP have made a mess of things too. It's easy to spend a lot of tax payers money, and rack up debt the taxpayers have to pay back. They overstretched at the GFC when it was not needed and wasted most of what they spent leaving us with a huge debt (in terms of how long it will take to repay). The Libs are the only ones who make any sense while the ALP constantly sound like used car salespeople.

You mean like the IT bust and the Asian Economic Crisis.
"The Asian financial crisis was a period of financial crisis that gripped much of Asia beginning in July 1997, and raised fears of a worldwide economic meltdown due to financial contagion."
The ALP had the best years of the mining boom didnt they, and all they did was talk up an additional mining tax and carbon tax which gutted confidence and caused the mining share values to plummet decimating many peoples superannuation.

Not at all, even in percentage. The ALP's target audience is voters but costs of living have only gone up, and overall are stable compared to the rate of debt increases the ALP are pulling over us. An economy which is more successful, with no debt, can take a higher percentage of tax overall without it being as big a burden on consumers.

 

Common axial, Gillard was hammered from pillar to post. 75% of the print media is owned by Rupert Murdoch so not so sure!

The Fraser Government with Howard as treasurer left labor with a $40 billion debt along with highest inflation and highest interest rates Australia has seen. Surely you're clued into this by now. The only record people have of liberal economic management is during the howard government, which wasn't anything to do with economic management! In fact, the economy was set up by Hawke and Keating (The visionaries) The conservatives rely on repeating something a thousand times in the hope it becomes true, but crazily think it will work in retrospect.

China, Taiwan, Singapore and Japan were not majorly affected. Howard himself stated that the Asian economic crisis had little to no impact on Australia due to minimal impact on a main trading partners. The 1990's and GFC were world wide economic downturns(massive recessions). We are fortunate labor governed us through both periods. Conservative ideals across the world are proving to be damaging economically! You just have to look at the UK, Italy etc etc!

This is a strange statement axial! Remember the Fraser government left Australian's with around $40 billion in government debt (Howard was treasurer). Howard sold $70billion dollars of Australia's assets to pay down debt, along with collecting taxes equivalent to at least $30 billion more than a labor government annually. Howard is officially the most wasteful government, but they easily pull the wool over peoples eyes.....He wasted billions on campaigning and perks. He also set up the future fund for Public servants(Federal that is). Go figure! Don't trust em dude. The coalition needs some balance and only Turnbull could provide that. Howard and Abbott are extreme and Australia didn't and doesn't need it!

 

Gillard is a pig, TV.

 

Dont come onto me TV, with your nonsense or otherwise. Howard got it worse before he was even an opposition minister, and slaughtered in all media during 2007. Same as Abbott, like wearing speedo's is something no-one else does.

The print media is all but irrelevant these days. The distribution numbers sliding of print media is not a trending sign, its a result of an established slide. A readers acquisition of print media information is selectively read, requires effort to read static text, and its closest analogous concept is toilet paper. TV on the other hand is delivered visually by emoting humans, and aurally whether someone is paying attention or not. TV is delivered free to peoples homes where they relax and feel safe and is bundled with much richer entertainment then a newspaper can offer.

TV is a much more powerful medium for communication and it seems all the presenters deliver the news with an obvious ALP preference. Their tone and facial expression are noticeably different depending on who they are reporting. Its most evident with interviews of course. People on the ABC try and strip sheds from any Lib who offers an interview but for the ALP or Union people they basically read the press release for them to fluff about. This TV delivery is also more easily disconnected from the corporate idealogy, as it is from the print media which is edited before release. The 'arts' community is integrated with the media community and they are notoriously politically left to an extreme.

Also TV media looks for short sound bytes for sensational value for its own popularity and profit, so it has long departed from being about dissemination of truthful knowledge and instead about popularity. This is why Kev the Clown is rolled out come election time, he is an angry adorable poodle who has had diplomatic experience at being an arse kisser while his wife made millions of dollars to keep him as a trophy pet.

Rolling my eyes here... talk about selective grabs stripped of all irrelevant context to today and with a slogan slapped on the end. Turn it into a song and go for the popular/ignorant vote why dont you, it was the go back then.
Different times, different conditions, different people, still irrelevant.

LOL, interesting how you try to define history in terms of political office. Its just misleading of all other realities and still quite irrelevant to the discussion of the now and future.

I forgot I'd need a folder of statistics to participate in this forum. I gave up keeping track of the bad decisions made by Rudd and Gillard in all areas of my business and personal finances. The reason their support base is the low paid is because they have less exposure to the ALP incompetence.

 

Workchoice campaigning was due to a groundswelling response, the media had no choice! Howard diddled us time and time again with massive waste, massive sales of our public assets, laziness, lack of vision and nation building, children overboard, lies and deception regarding the economy including interest rates....etc etc! It is silly to suggest Howard was harshly dealt with by media. It is totally untrue!

Are you serious....lol! It is simply a digital transition. There is basically no difference prior to digital in terms of the print vs television influence. Print media is accessible 24/7, whereas news reports are scheduled roughly 3 times/half hour time slots throughout the day beyond 9:00am. Print media via the digital medium is massively influencial.

You could probably argue this point until the sun implodes but it is quite obvious that Abbott and crazy negativity, lies and deceptions has been shepherded all the way to the try line!

It's quite evident that people look for a little more substance than a quick sound bite, and this is where Murdoch comes in! In fact most news comes from the print media initially!

They're the facts axial that the liberals don't want raised and tend to point the finger of fault with laborious but successful repetition. Yep, they convinced people that the coalition are the party of "low interest rates".......common axial!

What other realities axial? The proof is clearly in the pudding! The only aspect of conservative economic perceivable success was during the "Howard" era! There is 'NO" other reflection on previous coalition/liberal government economic proficiency! Again howard hit the "JACKPOT" with a massive "WORLD WIDE economic UPTURN"! He failed to position us even further with visionary nation building projects. He sat on his dang hands. It takes the ALP to plan and build for our future!

Lay em out! This is another indication of right biase in the Australian media! Don't come at me with the BER....it was 98% successful, but the way the media, especially News limited carried on, it was a 2% success....Common, it is time for Australia to wake up to the trickery and deceit from the current crop of conservatives!

 

I know the print media is hanging in there for worker's, mostly white collar. The points about things like how presentation of information alone can turn information 180 degree's and in how print articles can be ignored and skim read. Not to mention its read in your own inner voice with ones preclusion's shaping how information is interpreted. TV is like brainwashing in that its going in whether your listening or not, and as its delivery often defines the content more then the details of the content it can actually have greater penetration and influence then print.

All my opinions on media bias are on TV because it is the most widely distributed, most biased media, and most pervasive delivery of information out there short of brainwashing. The ALP cheerleaders only talk about print media because of its ownership, ignoring that print media often slam's the Lib's too and has less penetration then TV and its stories are selectively and individually taken up or ignored outright by a reader who might have just bought the rag for the horses.

Your position is just another disingenuous distraction from truth for selfish political gain. My position is their is a huge and wide ranging problem with left political bias reaching the Australian population.

IR reform is complex and integral to competitive industry... you know like how the ALP has gutted manufacturing because it has no real interest in trying to transform IR into something that tries to keep us competitive. At least Workchoices attempted it, albeit it unsuccessfully. Workchoices at its heart was ok, it just was released too vulnerable for abuse. It was always meant to, and was, a work in progress. They should have started with it too stringent and opened it slowly instead of it being too open and closing it slowly.

Your point about the media representing the public opinion on workchoices is historically accurate, but backs my point. The media is there to be popular to retain corporate profits, it should be there to deliver accurate information without bias ie; truth. That's the problem!!!! So the failed media of Australia is so unprofessional now the first thing that is lost is the professionalism required to remain unbiased. When the 'left' art's bias happens to coincide with the popular opinion then the media goes nuts. It's why they hunt so hard for Abbott furphy's, they think its popular to be anti-Liberal because they are anti-liberal and feel therefore it must be better for their profits.... etc.

It happens each time. Once the ALP is in power we get the unfortunate situation where the organized Union workforce plus the left biased TV media streaming into everyones living rooms plus ALP taxpayer funded self promotion and overall anti-liberal fear mongering - and it takes several years before the incompetance of the ALP damages the country seriously enough to actually make people realize they've been fed BS for the last 3-9 years by all those influential systems working for the sole purpose of the ALP being in power. The whole ALP machine is about only winning and staying in office. Then we have a few good years of tight fiscal Liberal management and tough decisions are made which give ammunition to the Unions and ALP who generate ground swell which the TV media dives into and joins in to restart the process. You can take biased fiscal snapshots all you like, but that is the real nature of Australian politics.

 

It is damaging and wasting the great work done by the previous generations of working Australian's to give us this quality of life. If you travel to some of our neighbours you'd know the world is changing and now is not the time to be precious, closed minded and artsy about the basic machinary of running the country. It has to be run more like a business and not a Union. You know those barely regulated chain's of profiteering disguised as workers rights entities, which were important 40 years ago but now could have all their functions handled by other non-political avenues, and serve only to serve the political left and pay for prostitutes, allegedly, when they get caught, which constitute the breeding ground for the leaders of the ALP like Gillard, Shorten et al..... other then Dudd who is the poodle they roll out who is the cleanest looking to sell the lie to the people for elections.

 

I've got to start off by saying that it is refreshing to read an opposing post that is clear and articulate! No nasty senseless patronising vitriol.....seriously! That doesn't mean I agree though, but this is how I suppose many of us would like to discuss topics on here......In a passionate but sensible manner.

Look, it's an interesting topic but I honestly think that the Australian mainstream media is biased towards conservatism whether it be print or television. Maybe we only see the negatives opposing our current "stance". Maybe the media isn't biased possibly based on this. Over the years I've noticed that the coalition, especially Howard sailed through without a great deal of scrutiny and pressure. Maybe Labor failed in their attempts to pressure and utilize the media as effectively as Howard and now Abbott.

I'm not convinced work choices was the best way forward for manufacturing. Under Howard, house prices inflated astronomically and obviously had people in debt up to their noses. To bring in work choices in at that time was quite rude and inconsiderate, especially of a situation that he had created without too much thought for future impacts. House prices doubled in 5 years under Howard. It was just open slather dog eat dog economic politics at play. Of course wages had to go up, they certainly couldn't go down with overlapping policies that promoted uncontrolled greed, such as negative gearing and first home buyers grants.

We have only had "ONE" period of coalition government that you guys "BASE" their economic proficiency "ON" and that's the Howard era. Why overlook the Fraser, McMahon and Gorton era's! Probably because they had atrocious economic records, which makes the opposing argument that conservative governments are the best managers of the economy! Again, Howard hit the jackpot with a massive "WORLD WIDE ECONOMIC UPTURN". Costello never came close to receiving international recognition for his economic management. The Australian mainstream media and the coalition obviously convinced us that they were good, when in fact "they obviously weren't. The only treasurers to receive awards for recognition of great economic outcomes through good management were Keating and Swan. Surely this says a lot about our Australian media and Biase!

As far as I'm concerned, unless Abbott takes a different approach to his predecessor in Howard, Australia is going to be heading for a rough time and you know they will try to blame the hardship on Labor! If the economy turns sower, Abbott must take full responsibility!

 

LMAO. You are already setting yourself up to blame Abbott, if the economy turns sour in the future. You`d have to be Abbott`s best friend. He couldn`t dream of better support than your opposition.

 

So that's your contribution......you're a joke aussie.....go and play your trolling games on some other forum, many of us on here seriously want to discuss topics!

 

It`s not possible to hold an adult conversation with you TV. You aren`t capable of focusing on relevance, on key issues. Time wasting tactics, and lack of astuteness toward relevance, real life, are part of the reason for the complete failure of your posts to add anything of value to any debate.

 

How about you allow other people to converse without flooding between responses and interjecting with nonsense. Axial and I are discussing a topic for goodness sake. Grow up already aussie...seriously!!

 

Sorry. I must admit, your shallow, time wasting, dodgy diversionary, delusional dribble, lost my respect quite some time ago.

 

So what!!!...........Myself and others are conversing! It's not our fault that you can't hold a mature conversation with anyone on this forum! Go troll on FB or YT for goodness sake and allow others to converse without nonsensical interjections!

 

This is a public forum. Your "debating method" is stiflingly constricted by your lack of scope, your inability to operate outside of no brainer, trades hall dogma. When presented with inconvenient facts, you invariably resort to childish diversion, or delaying tactics, or childish tantrum throwing abuse. It`s your decision to set yourself up as an example of the weakness of your argument, don`t cry when I work with you, and assist you in demonstrating the shallowness of your case.

As I said, this is a public forum. If you can`t handle a little bit of gentle rebuke, learn to discuss a topic in a mature manner, or you will continue to be treated with contempt by mature posters..

 

LMAO.....just can't handle nonsensical trolling that only aims to wreck discussion between various members...I think you are a little taken back due to your failure to hold any discussion of substance with "anyone". I mean, go back and check all your posts!

 

TV, you are too silly to hold a conversation with.

 

I dont have much to add despite disagreeing with everything you said TV. You keep saying everything good seems to be because of the ALP and everything bad seems to be because of the Libs. All I'd do is say nup, Australian policy did not create the global growth conditions which led to the GFC.

As for international recognition of Treasurers, omg, of course the banking community (who gives out these awards afaik) loves the ALP, they protected the big banks but in doing so they left the little ones vulnerable and exposed and pushed the dollar so high it killed off local manufacturing like we've never seen before (which the ALP blames on the GFC despite the effects all happening years after the GFC) which helped those foreign countries compete better against our own products. Of course they love us, we traded our fantastic position (thanks to the Libs) to make it easier for them to recover.... now that thousands have lost their jobs, we've got buckets loads of debt which the future generations of taxpayers will be burdened with, and we all have to pay huge amounts just in interest alone on that debt. Overall the only thing the ALP did was weaken Australia, some token welfare reform, and let in a lot of illegally travelled economic migrants.

 

I think we can all agree that Australian policy didn't cause the GFC.....it's just funny that many believe that Australia's less than desirable circumstances are somehow disconnected to global issues.....LMAO!

How did the ALP protect the banks??

There is nothing substantial that the coalition have done for Australia but STOP THE BOATS!! Ask them yourself....The ALP have driven all major policy over the last 3 decades......The GST was delivered by the coalition but was an ALP baby initially!

The actual debt could have been far greater for private companies and the massive flow down effect that follows..........What do you think would have happened hadn't the ALP stimulated the economy?

 

You DON`T know what Rudd did for the BIG banks? REALLY?

PMSL

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You DON`T know what Rudd did for the BIG banks? REALLY?

PMSL

 

Enlighten us!

 

To most people TV, it`s common knowledge, but attempting to enlighten you, is like trying to penetrate a brick wall, with a boiled carrot.