Eastern Europeans making money inflaming right wing nationalis

Do they choose or will they be ostracised if they don't. Fact is too many people don't understand why they would choose to wear it,.... it's called consequences

Secret ex-Muslim network in Australia fear disownment and abuse
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06...secret-ex-muslim-network-in-australia/9811340

And this is part of the problem.... ^^^^ this is the **** going on and people like me pointing it out is the problem... that's ****ed up

 

Female circumcision: Culture and religion in Malaysia see millions of girls undergo cut
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018...ision-is-still-happening-in-malaysia/10473640

Muslims need to address their women's rights issues then people like me will stop complaining.... thank you

 

Dear oh dear..youre starting to sound like me....thats naughty....My post #207 from above quoting the woman in NZ is a classical example of how some people think, but they are labelled islamophobic for speaking out...and thats the only way to silence criticism of islam among non believers, and the hypocritical msm
are complicit in the manner they selectively report issues...

 

That’s not a Muslim thing so much as an Arab thing.

 

But malaysians arent arabs..theyre malaysians...

 

Thank you, Captain.

 

The wearing of cover ups has always been a perplexing thing. You'll get different responses from Muslim women. Some say that it's a sign of piety, whereas more progressive Muslim women don't seem to need this.

"The veil itself, however, predated Islam and was practiced by women of several religions. It also was largely linked to class position: Wealthy women could afford to veil their bodies completely, whereas poor women who had to work [in the field] either modified their veils or did not wear them at all."
https://www.facinghistory.org/civic-dilemmas/brief-history-veil-islam

 

Africa, ME. And SE Asia I believe.
Started in Egypt.
I, personally, believe this is a practice of ignorant observers of a religion.

 

https://www.al-islam.org/hijab-musl...ultural-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi/quran-and-hijab
Well call me old fashioned, but doesnt this cover it...pardon the pun....

Nassim Abdi, who is a cleric with the Australian Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah Association, says he “doesn’t justify abuse,” but preaches that it is the woman’s fault if she “puts herself out there” and gets abused. He also says it is the men’s fault for not following Sharia and “allowing” women to “put themselves out there.” Women should not “beautify themselves”:

This clerics views can be seen on you tube..take your pick as to what you want to watch to waste your time....

 

We have Australian judges who think like that.

 

Hi,
Jacinda Ardern reaches out to people which suffered. She might well be the most trusted and desired PM in the Western World, far ahead of the scum we have to offer. We let people suffer in Iraq, and then stopping the boats to take their refugees. Australia has come a long way from being a helpful nation to the scum we now are.......
Head/face covers I don't like myself, as it shows the oppressive nature of a religion, that is true. But I bet that most Muslim women are happy with, it is what they regard as normal. Would you want to liberate women who see themselves as normal, happy?
sw, I know some Muslim women who don't wear any head/face protection, wouldn't it be right if these more liberated women get behind the cause?
The gm subject is horrific, and I agree lots more should be done. Not quite sure you can blame everything on Islam, more so on medieval tribal rituals,
Cats

 

Not arguing your point, I have made my feelings pretty clear on the subject.

My point is, the law can only demand so much without an intrusion into peoples rights to make their own choices.

The law cannot interject into the choice, but merely the repercussions that come from that choice. Basically if a Muslim women decides to wear the clothing her household faith dictates we must accept that at face value. If she decides not to, and her right of choice and liberties are transgressed against, only then can the law interject.

I am merely pointing out that sometimes the law can only police the repercussions of a social issue, not the issue itself.

 

You're ignoring what's right in front of you

1. In countries where Islam is the majority religion, according to Sisters of Islam, there is a tendency to "Islamise everything".
2. Women are killed, abused, ostracised for not wearing the Hijab... under these circumstances even I would choose to wear it

 

I am not sure about that either. I can remember a documentary I saw once describing it as a tribal ritual based on paganistic beliefs.

 

Those practices and attitudes predate Islam.

 

There's no point going back 1000 years... women's rights in the west are probably only 100 years old

 

dupe

 

The intrusion into whose rights... male muslims. Their right to control women. If we ban the forced wearing of "such" then women have a legit reason for not wearing it. Kinda helps when you are concerned about abuse or being ostracised from your family, friends and community.

Also believe it will remove many of the "concerns" regarding islam most westerners have... on the long term will smooth relations, short term probably not so much

 

We will let the people of NZ concern themselves with Ardern. They can be the judge of their leaders actions.

I have no problem with the Burka, but we need to be fair here, if the Burka is allowed in public then so should my Mickey Mouse mask.

 

Sad isnt it....we have a lovely sunny saturday morning...we should be out playing golf (I could have)
or surfing, shopping, gardening, fishing.....
But instead here we are sitting at our computors.....discussing islam.......

 

Well frankly I am even more concerned now than ever before, clearly the threat Islam in its current form present to women's rights are BLATANTLY ignored.

We are so busy trying to accommodate everyone that we are ignoring when there are serious clashes that will cause problems in the future

 

I think it’s a pretty naive view to think by passing a law you will stop ostracision. Islam is not concerned with the law, especially not behind closed doors. Islam is the law at home.

This is something that can only be changed within. As I said the law can be there to support the choice of change but it can not determine the change, as the change must come ideologically or it is doomed to failure.

Again not arguing your points, just merely pointing out the realism of the situation.

 

Off to the reef this evening, hopefully a couple of trout for dinner tomorrow night.

 

I feel completely exasperated by your comment,

you can't stop the use of drugs or sales of guns, but you can limit it or assist people who are at risk of being abused because of it.

The plight of those muslim women who do not want to be subjected to these invisible religious laws forcing them to comply are completely ignored... laws can help

 

Reminds me of a mate who last year had to go to Mascot to pick up a friend.
He's standing there, waiting for him and along comes two muslim women, dressed in black, full length burkas, with only a slit for their eyes...they stand about ten metres from him...he's sh1tting bricks...Hes never had anything to do with islam or muslims..first time he's seen anyone dressed like that...he thinks am I living in Australia or somewhere else....
The next day he goes and buys a book on islam...and forms his own opinions...
He told me of this a few days later.....true story....
Why should this effect any of us...why should he go out and buy a book and learn about islam.
Well, I guess the answer is....look at Europe and the UK and Sweden etc...this is how islam
effects the world...people should not have to learn about an ideology because of the anxiety
it creates amongst us.....it should not be necessary....