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I asked you to post up links to support your claim that British Colonisation has influenced Islam in regards to homosexuality. What you gave me, although interesting reading, all involved non islamic countries. A small amount of info on a political stitch up in Malaysia was the only thing that is remotely close to you claim but gee it’s a stretch.

Also Are you saying Wahhabism uses a different Koran?

 

Because they have to... they are a minority. Can you guarantee that this trend will continue once the numbers start to reflect those in Europe and the UK, and can we afford to take that chance. Think of the consequences if you are wrong.

We also already have areas for example in Melbourne, like Springvale where English is not spoken. Now I don't care because I don't go to Springvale but what if this becomes 40 suburbs, 50 suburbs.. growing. You could argue this is scaremongering but I think it's serious enough to take into consideration.

I need a good reason to ignore it and so far no one could give me one... pretty much all I get are insults. I'm asking for a solution

 

Here's Islamic State offering their sympathies to the victims... oh wait, suppose threats are as far as their compassion goes

Islamic State has responded to the terror attack at Christchurch with a 44-minute video inciting further violence and urging supporters to retaliate.
https://www.news.com.au/world/pacif...s/news-story/9c687a150259bdb9813d59cccf1c56a4

 

Alexa sorry I missed your Economist link. This link provided a good read, but merely made the inuendo that the Colonisation may of had an influence. They stopped short of blame, but gee it is a strong coincidence I grant you.

So in your opinion why won’t they change as we see the broader christian societies are trying to undertake this transformation?

 

See,
there are things within Islam I don't like, the dress code for women for example, that is not like the 21st century.
However, the Muslim men and women I know are quite modern, and I can't see a danger there.
The world is not always bad, and I don't want to see it that way.
Islam, although not very progressive, didn't pose any negative experience on my dealing with the people involved that I know of....
Kind regards

 

That's nice Cat... you're such a nice person and how lovely you see the world through such gentle lenses. Wouldn't it be nice if things actually turn out that way.

Let's all close our eyes, remain silent, hold hands and I'm sure things will work out just fine.

 

ha... I have to work soon but will post this.

People are smeared and treated like lepers for saying this, but this article was published a year and a half ago
Survey done on sample of 2000 people

Australians support partial ban on Muslim immigration: survey
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australians-support-partial-ban-on-muslim-immigration-survey

So what does that mean...it means people are acknowledging the fact that unfortunately "our way of life" is not always compatible with zero discrimination. To protect one you may have to discriminate against the other. Welcome to reality, now grow a pair and face it.

It also means that those who cannot face this fact, potentially pose a risk to "our way of life" like the Greens who believe "everyone's rights should be protected first" vs "our way of life" second.

On the other hand if you did set quotas of equal numbers in religious groups, you may avoid discrimination, however means religion will feature prominently in your migration intake... also would be easy for people to lie.

 

I shop in Springvale sometimes. Lots of Indo Chinese. Nice people who just want to make a living and live in peace.

I can't reassure you about the possible subsumption of the Australian culture.
I can't understand why people who have left a sh!thole, would want to make their new home into a sh!thole.

We've have many waves of migration into Australia and we've survived them. Lasagne, moussaka, gozleme and banh mi are all good things, as are the people who go to worship at temples and mosques. Our worldview has become broader as a result.

1950 Australia was a smug and insular place. I wouldn't like to return to those times.

 

Islamic leaders worldwide know that islam cannot cope with the criticism which is now levelled at it.
Years ago, there was no social media, there was no internet...there was nothing except TV and radio and newspapers.... now there is an abundance of information available for people to study, critique and make up their own minds about islam.
Even ex muslims are now brave enough to speak out about islam.
Therefore the only way for islam to survive is to shut down all criticism....and thats whats happening.
Fortunately, you cant shut down the internet...
"Former Muslim Imam of Al-Azar University, who Converted Christian, and authored such books as “Islam and Terrorism” demonstrating the interconnection of Jihad with Islam….
Islam’s goal is world domination, no doubt about it.
Interview below:
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Testimony of Dr. Mark Gabriel – Former Muslim Imam’s Journey to Christ
You will learn a lot on this video relating to the differences between Islam and Christianity.
(“why muslims hate Jews and Christians”…)
Many who are atheist, agnostics, christians, jews, buddhists, hindu, etc, are unaware to the nature and law of Islam (Shariah), the Qu’ran and the Hadith (Muhammad’s Biography and its teachings, miracles).
Is ISLAM a religion of peace as what the media teach us?
But if we go deeper into it’s teachings its a different story.
You will also learn about the goal of Islam toward the world.
What is the definition of PEACE in Islam and according to the Qu’ran?
Differences between the teachings of Christ and Muhammad…
Islam will NOT give peace. Islam will NOT allow for Grace and Forgiveness.
Islam is a mess. Get out of it!!!
If you think that this former Islamic cleric is lying on his statements…. view this video:
++++++ Experience The Freedom!!!"
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...8057BFD8F4961822AC3D8057BFD8F496&&FORM=VRDGAR

 

sw,
we can't always agree on a topic, and we do often enough.
Not quite sure however why you try to make a fool out of me or my experiences.
You must have gone through hell with Muslim, it appears.
Cats

 

I don’t think the debate is whether they are nice people or not. History has shown us that evil lurks in all races and religions. Right at this moment in time and in the short term future Australias way of life will somewhat remain, but increased scrutiny from those that oppose it will place massive pressures upon change. There may be no right or wrong here, just a choice for the population.

Scarlet Witch doesn’t want that change, nor do I, or more than half the Australian population, doesn’t make us wrong, nor does it make us evil. For those wanting this to change, it doesn’t make them wrong either. Just choices and opinions.

I have no problem with Muslims, just their religion, and I’m not a religious person.

One thing I cannot get my head around, is the women who champions womens rights and defends a religion built on the oppression of women. This to me beggars belief. The complete idiocy of it is astounding.

 

Will he or nil Ye change is inevitable. I remember the Gold Coast when it looked like this


Does hat make the change evil? Back then we were considered weird because we e weren’t wogs and yet we ate zucchini and had yoghurt for dessert

 

Look I understand the point your trying to make, but the Europeans as per your example, shared the same ideology. Catholicism strengthened under the migration example you are using. It is not the people that is the problem, on an individual basis they add to the society. It is the ideology.

Islam is no threat as a minority, but once it reaches equilibrium or majority it is a completely different story. We are already seeing this in Europe where enclaves have been established in most major cities. Police and the law are not welcome in these enclaves and Sharia law is practiced behind the cloak of secrecy.

Change is inevitable and you too will have a choice to make on the direction of that change.

 

Gaaawd now you make me feel like I've kicked a kitten. You nice people scum will be the death of us all

 

And we said the same about the eyeties and the Greeks and the bloody slanties, the Vietnamese and as for the other Asians and thier Triads.......

 

I just try to live my life looking for similarities rather than differences

 

This is part the problem many people are trying to point out B, left leaning individuals always claim the moral high ground, they see themselves as superior and thus any other views are insignificant, not worthy and clearly wrong. This position alone makes someone part of the problem as they are unable to find middle ground and solutions.

Sitting on their pedestal when the whole thing turns to **** ,they have no clue what or why it happened.

 

You were given what you asked for and more. You are disingenuous and wasting my time.

 

You havent answered my questions about apostacy and honour killings yet...but dont bother...I wouldnt want you to waste your time on something as petty as that.....

 

You obviously did not read on through posts where you will find I apologised for missing the key link, actually the only link that supported your claim.

If your time is so precious perhaps you should rethink spending so much time on forums.

 

Those ideologies were either shared or able to co-exist harmoniously. I stand by my view that Islam and Christianity cannot exist in equilibrium within a single border. They are at total odds with each other and would require massive concessions on each faiths behalf to have a chance of peaceful existence. Sorry I can never see this happening.

 

Their religion is their choice isn't it?

i have no problem with Catholics, just their religion and I'm not religious.

There are stacks of patriarchal cultures and I don't like the idea of damning a whole culture for the behaviour of extremists.

I thought we'd agreed to disagree?

Neither of us will change the opinion of the other.

Just going around in circles.

 

sf,
as a young man I did spend some time in Bombay, India. I was amazed how peaceful the 4 biggest religion coexisted within this big big city..... Of course they can coexist!
Reg.

 

Not in equalibrium.

Cats muslims account for less than 20% of indias population which are predominantly Hindu. Bombay from memory has a lot of residual Pakistani which evented after the split and subsequent birth of Pakistan, so I imagine it’s percentage may be higher.

So yes they coexist as a superior and minority, much the same as we do here.

The only country from my memory that has equal numbers is Nigeria, I could be wrong. It was very testy as Islam grew exponentially through recent decades. But for the most part it was working ok, but now we have all seen the rise of Boko Haram in the north and the Nigerian government has had condemnation at what some see as pedestrian response. Some enclaves in the north practice Sharia and most of the Christians have moved into the south creating clear lines.

Nigeria is considered a hotspot for religious tensions and crimes against each other are increasing dramatically.

 

From where do you see the change coming from?
Today we have Indonesia as well as Turkey and Iran, which (in my opinion) are on a bad course.
But so is Poland.
All it needs is right wing populists.
We need to stand together and fight for multiculturalism and freedom, don't you think?
We can coexist, but currently many governments are trying to capitalize on fear and the spreading of lies....
Reg.