Effective Ukrainian Partisan Attacks on Russian Forces

I'm willing to entertain this though. Because it's not so far out there.

but that matters to us because?

Unless he wants to start a ww3(which he doesn't), he will never step a foot into NATO countries. That's the only thing that matters.

The whole WW2 Hitler comparison is completely irrational.

 

Well. At least you acknowledge that it's not about freedom anymore. It's just an excuse to be confrontational. Which is never good when concerning a country possessing the largest nuclear arsenal. You know what they say about cornered animals?

But if you agree with such methods(i dont), then perhaps you have no problem with other countries using such methods against us and our troops abroad? Like China.

What's good for the Goose is good for the gander.

 

Not every aggressor is terrified by NATO or the prospect of war with the U.S. And if one of the Baltic nations is attacked as a NATO member they have an absolute right to expect protection from other NATO members up to and including the use of nuclear weapons.

 

Even cornered animals can be killed.

 

The U.S.can do whatever it wants..

Other nations cannot.

 

Yeh. That's why Putin will never invade a NATO member. Because he doesn't want to destroy Russia and everyone on earth along with it in a nuclear Holocaust. The rest is not our concern.

 

1) What if Putin thinks he can get away with an invasion of a NATO country?
2) After all you seem all set to allow Putin to do whatever he wants.
3) What makes you think a nuclear war would destroy Russia? Let alone the entire world?
4) You know there are plenty of suicidal national leaders don't you that have fumbled their way into unwinnable wars?

 

Not if it suddenly opens up a canister of anthrax. Lol

All jokes aside
In a nuclear war. Yeh. But you'll die along with it. Along with most of the world

And as foreshadowed by my joke, nukes will not be the only weapons of choice. All the biological weapons of mass destruction will probably be used as well. Nothing but mutated cockroaches will populate the earth afterwards.

 

Never going to happen. He knows that it will quickly turn into a ground war with all of NATO. Which will ultimately devolve into a nuclear war

They could do what they want as long as it doesn't effect us. Just like I and you think that US can do what they want

Radiation is a halla of a thing. The blasts might not destroy the world. But radiation will. And I dont know about US, But Russia has been developing super dirty bombs which is designed to spread the maximum radiation. Plus if all bets are off, you can guarantee that both sides will use biological and chemical weapons that's they've stored in masses up until now.

Putin isn't one of them. He isn't dogmatic in his religious beliefs to start a global Jihaad like some Muslim countries would. He Simply has too much to loose and alot to live for.

 

We should have spent the money we spent in giving war material to Soviet Russia during WWII and spent most of it here developing better weapons and more weapons and training more troops to fight Germany and Japan. We gave Russia food , c.othing, and war material he se we built up SOVIET Russia. We should have let the Germans invade deeper into Russia hense destroy Russia. We should have instead used a good portion of the money spent on Russia to supply non. Communist PARTIZAN forces fighting Germany from Norway to Georgia.

 

Yep
Then Germany would have won. And the flag flying over your head would be a Natzi one. Because then, the 80% of the entire German ground forces that was in the eastern front would reinforce the measly 20% that the combined might of the allies struggled against. The war in the west would be lost

Japan started investigating in weaponizing nuclear energy before the US. They lacked Uranium. Winning the war in the west and conquering Russia, Germany would have no problem supplying Japanese with Uranium among other materials that they needed. Because you know, they're right next to eachother




Japan then would have likely developed the Atomic bomb first and US would be finished shortly after.

So. Yeh. US totally shouldn't have helped Russia

 

Then explain why people live on the Russian island of Novae Zemyla to this day? Only a third the size of Florida yet the Soviets donated hundreds of nuclear weapons there (in the open air) over the course of a decade in the Cold War.

 

Prove it

And no imaginary super weapons don't count.

 

High altitude testing mostly. It minimizes radiation. Even the Tzar bomb, the biggest nuclear bomb ever tested at 52 megatons produced almost no fallout because it was tested so high up.

"A nuclear weapon detonated in the air, called an air burst, produces far less fallout than a comparable explosion near the ground."

 

Look it up. Plenty of Soviet nuclear weapons were detonated at ground level on Novae Zemyla.

 

"Prove it. What ever sources you provide that states that Russia is developing a dirty bomb don't count"

Lol

Russia already did a proof of concept of a cobalt bomb back in 1971. Lol

Anywho...
I'll leave this here for the record anyway

NATO has recently warned allies of Russia's plans to test the Poseidon "super torpedo", also dubbed "the weapon of the apocalypse," according to Italian newspaper La Repubblica.

According to the news outlet, Russia could test the weapon soon. The nuclear-powered submarine Belgorod is reported to have left its base in the White Sea, possibly to test the torpedo in the Kara sea.

Shashank Joshi, defence editor of The Economist, said on Twitter that Poseidon is a Russian nuclear-powered torpedo that can be nuclear-armed. But what was being discussed in the Italian newspaper report was a possible test of the torpedo and "NOT an explosive nuclear test."

"It is also worth noting that Poseidon is scheduled for delivery in 2027. It is not a weapon that is relevant to this war," he said.

Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists, said in an article in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists in February that underwater trials of Poseidon began in December 2018. "The weapon is scheduled for delivery in 2027 and will be carried by specially configured submarines," he wrote.

What would a test entail, and what would it do? Experts spoke to Newsweek about what is likely to happen in a test and the destruction that Poseidon could inflict if it were ever used to cause a nuclear blast.

Shaun Burnie, a senior nuclear specialist at Greenpeace, told Newsweek that there are "several issues of concern" on the basis that a test of the torpedo is imminent.

"The assumption must be that the missile/drone would be unarmed [with no] nuclear warhead—otherwise it's a nuclear test at which point the consequences are determined by the bomb design and yield.

"It's reported that the yield is up to 100 megatons—hence the apocalypse reference," Burnie said, speaking of impact the torpedo could have if used with a nuclear warhead.

"One suggestion is that the weapon contains large amounts of cobalt 59 which on detonation becomes radioactive cobalt 60—the aim being to maximize the amount of radioactivity released and that it is long lasting. Such a weapon was built by the Soviet Union during the Cold War intended as a doomsday device to put as much radioactive cobalt into the upper atmosphere to be capable of making large parts of the planet uninhabitable."

https://www.newsweek.com/what-damage-tests-russia-apocalypse-poseidon-weapon-do-1748797

A cobalt bomb is a type of "salted bomb": a nuclear weapon designed to produce enhanced amounts of radioactive fallout, intended to contaminate a large area with radioactive material, potentially for the purpose of radiological warfare, mutual assured destruction or as doomsday devices.

In Russia, the triple "taiga" nuclear salvo test, as part of the preliminary March 1971 Pechora–Kama Canal project, produced relatively high amounts of cobalt-60 (60Co or Co-60) from the steel that surrounded the Taiga devices, with this fusion-generated neutron activation product being responsible for about half of the gamma dose in 2011 at the test site. The high percentage contribution is largely because the devices primarily used fusion rather than fission reactions, so the quantity of gamma-emitting caesium-137 fallout was comparatively low.

In 2015, a page from an apparent Russian nuclear torpedo design was leaked. The design was titled "Oceanic Multipurpose System Status-6", later given the official name Poseidon. The document stated the torpedo would create "wide areas of radioactive contamination, rendering them unusable for military, economic or other activity for a long time." Its payload would be "many tens of megatons in yield".

A cobalt bomb could be made by placing a quantity of ordinary cobalt metal (59Co) around a thermonuclear bomb. When the bomb explodes, the neutrons produced by the fusion reaction in the secondary stage of the thermonuclear bomb's explosion would transmute the cobalt to the radioactive cobalt-60, which would be vaporized by the explosion. The cobalt would then condense and fall back to Earth with the dust and debris from the explosion, contaminating the ground.

The 5.27 year half life of the 60Co is long enough to allow it to settle out before significant decay has occurred, and to render it impractical to wait in shelters for it to decay, yet short enough that intense radiation is produced. Many isotopes are more radioactive (gold-198, tantalum-182, zinc-65, sodium-24, and many more), but they would decay faster, possibly allowing some population to survive in shelters.

Fission products are more deadly than neutron-activated cobalt in the first few weeks following detonation. After one to six months, the fission products from even a large-yield thermonuclear weapon decay to levels tolerable by humans. The large-yield two-stage (a fission trigger/primary with a fusion–fission secondary) thermonuclear weapon is thus automatically a weapon of radiological warfare, but its fallout decays much more rapidly than that of a cobalt bomb. A cobalt bomb's fallout on the other hand would render affected areas effectively stuck in this interim state for decades: habitable, but not safe for constant habitation.

Initially, gamma radiation from the fission products of an equivalent size fission-fusion-fission bomb are much more intense than Co-60: 15,000 times more intense at 1 hour; 35 times more intense at 1 week; 5 times more intense at 1 month; and about equal at 6 months. Thereafter fission product fallout radiation levels drop off rapidly, so that Co-60 fallout is 8 times more intense than fission at 1 year and 150 times more intense at 5 years. The very long-lived isotopes produced by fission would overtake the 60Co again after about 75 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_bomb

 

OK. Let's take this path

Even if all the Nuclear weapon had minimafall-out and no cobalt bombs or biological weapons are used, Russia would likely fare much better than US

Why? Because nukes would target large cities and military installations. Russia is sparsely populated. Most of it is wilderness. FAR more than US. So there are plenty of land to retreat to that would never have seen a nuclear blast.



Russia has more nukes and because their guidance system weren't that good in the early days, they were designed to have a much bigger yield.

So Russia has more nukes. And their nukes are bigger. They have more unpopulated land. So Russia wouldn't necessarily be the winner in a nuclear war between it and the US(there are none), but it would fare much better.

 

You ignore the obvious:

1) Yes Russia has more unpopulated land than the United States.
2) BUT, Russian population and industrial capacity is concentrated (thanks to Soviet era centralization) in a smaller area than that of the United States.

3) You really should do actual research on this issue rather than just prattling Cold War area apocalyptic propaganda.

 

We should have armed Ukrainians, Georgians , Armenians , Belaruses, and the Baltics to fight Germans as PARTIZANS. That would have tied down the German eastern front and then have had the Russians fight the German to a draw. Or we could have caused a mutual killing off of both the German and the Russian armies. If the Russians bested the Germans the Eastern countries I listed above would have continued action against Russians. Meanwhile the good allies could have defeated Germany in the west. As Germany started to falter Hungarians and Rumanians would have fallen off but still fought against Russia even as PARTIZANS. The surviving German army would have been ineffective and slowly retreated towards Germany but a weak remnants.
Bottom line is that we foolishly created a monster USSR when we may have had a weak USSR. We created the monster of a post WWII SOVIET Russia.

 

There are about 243 villeges in US. Compared to that, Russia has has 36,000 of them

Please do actual research before farting from you mouth.

There are about 2500 cities. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, about 80% of the United States population lives in urban areas.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/how-many-cities-are-in-the-us

Compared to that, 74% of Russians live in urban areas -- either towns or cities.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/russia-population

Notice the towns being included in that number? So the actual percentage who live in the cities is lower. I would estimate that 65-70% of the population live in actual cities.

US is FAR more centralized than Russia.

 

80% of Russki population is West of Ural Mts....East of Urals is sparsely populated...and getting sparse as each year passes....I suspect China has earmarked Far East for settlement.

 

Then you would have armed the Germans

How can someone be so ignorant of history?

Take Ukraine for instance. Germany captured it very quickly. 1 month? 2 months? I forgot.

And here's an annoying fact
Ukrainian collaboration with Nazi Germany
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany

Have fun arming the natzis

 

What makes you think Russian nuclear weapons will work properly?
What makes you think the U.S. can't or won't destroy their launch centers before they are launched? We are fully capable of doing that.

 

Why not? You are. Not to mention basic geography, demographics, and how radiation operates.