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Simple. Islam is not a religion. And Eid al Adha is a ritual based on the concept of sacrifice. So where does food come in ? Simple. It's a rationalization ploy. Plain as day.

 

Islam is a religion and YOU don't have the authority to declare that its NOT a religion.

 

Counties get sued all the time

FEDERAL SUIT FILED OVER DEPUTY TIRADE AND ILLEGAL ARREST OF GUN OWNER DEPICTED IN VIRAL VIDEO

Today Florida Carry has filed a federal complaint alleging deprivation of civil rights under color of law with the United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida over an incident which was captured on dashcam video, which subsequently went viral on the internet.

In July of 2009, Citrus County resident Joel Smith and his wife were detained at a traffic stop for non-criminal traffic code violation. During the stop, Mr. Smith exited his vehicle to speak with Citrus County deputy Andy Cox, who asked Mr. Smith for proof of insurance for the vehicle. Mr. Smith turned with his back toward the officer and leaned into the vehicle to retrieve the document at which time his lawfully carried and holstered firearm peeked out from under his shirt.

Upon seeing the tip of Smith's holster, Deputy Cox immediately launched into an


Sean Caranna, founder and executive director of Florida Carry, Inc.
unwarranted verbal assault on Mr. Smith, first asking why he was carrying a firearm. Within seconds, the officer drew his own firearm and pointed it at the befuddled Mr. Smith, threatening to shoot him "in the (expletive deleted) back" if he didn't immediately put his hands on the vehicle. Mr. Smith offered no resistance, complying fully with the officer's orders, and informing the officer that he was a lawfully licensed concealed carrier. Ignoring Mr. Smith's statement, Deputy Cox continued shouting at Mr. Smith, ordering him face down on the ground and cuffing him. Mr. Smith was arrested and charged with open carry of a firearm, a misdemeanor violation of Florida Statutes, however charges were later dropped. A complaint was filed with the Citrus County Sheriff's Department against Deputy Cox, however due to a technicality, the complaint was dismissed and no disciplinary action against the deputy was taken.

COLLIER COUNTY &#8212; The Collier County Sheriff&#8217;s Office paid $80,000 to settle a federal civil rights lawsuit that alleged an &#8220;unnecessarily aggressive&#8221; deputy unlawfully arrested a Golden Gate Estates couple and their in-laws, putting them in fear for their lives.

The 2008 lawsuit filed by Kathleen DeRosa, her husband, James, his brother, Louis, and his wife, Mary Elizabeth DeRosa, was dismissed last week by U.S. District Court Judge John Steele, averting a trial in September against Cpl. Shaun George and Sgt. Andrew Orcutt.

The DeRosas contended George was acting erratically, shaking, nervous, and repeatedly told them to &#8220;shut up&#8221; when he stopped their truck for failing to dim its headlights on Oct. 16, 2004.

After George repeatedly told Kathleen DeRosa to shut up, she told him: &#8220;You really need to work on your community service skills.&#8221; Steele said that &#8220;fails to even come close to obstruction,&#8221; ruling George had no probable cause to arrest her

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Absolutely true- I have posted the links before that showed American Presidents from Thomas Jefferson through Obama have recognized Islam as a religion. And all religions are protected by the U.S. Constitution. I have posted those court cases before also.

Now- I will grant you that absent a specific court case- it is possible that a specific religious practice may be found to be illegal- child sacrifice is not allowed regardless of what the Old Testament says- no religion is or will be banned- because we have our Constitution to protect us all.

Except of course in the real world, Islam, as religion is protected by the U.S. Constitution and has been since the Bill of Rights was approved.

And this has been recognized by President's starting with Jefferson all the way through Bush and Obama. And the courts.

And pretty much any rational person who has read the Constitution.

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Once again-

Prove it.

Prove your contention the Eid al Adha has nothing to do with religion or food.

Prove it.

if you can't provide proof then what you are offering is merely your rather partisan opinion, not a fact.

 

1. Your links do NOT show that all US presidents have recognized Islam to be a religion.

2. Religions may be protected by the Constitution, but Islam isn't a religion.

3. Even if Islam was a religion, it still couldn't be protected by the Constitution, because it is in violation of the Constitution's most important and primary facet >> the Supremacy Clause. (Article 6, Section 2)

4. No charge for the tutoring. Happy to be of service.

 

If I thought you, or your strange posts, were important enough, I could take the time and effort to give you countless examples of sovereign immunities in various cities and counties in Florida, but I guess I just don't think you are. So you show me a few examples of the ones who don't have SI, and that's supposed to prove something. ? Pheeeeeeww!! (high-pitched whistle)

 

I didn't claim that every President has- I pointed out the facts- that Presidents starting with Thomas Jefferson up to Barack Obama have recognized that Islam is a religion. This has been recognized by Presidents for over 200 years now.

Just because you claim Islam is not a religion, doesn't mean it isn't, nor does it refute the recognition by the U.S. Government that Islam is a religion for around 200 years.

And your interpretation of the Supremacy clause is just that and nothing more. Nobody agrees with that whacky interpretation.

Let me know when you actually tell me something that is demonstrably true.

 

The College of William and Mary

On December 9th, 1805, Thomas Jefferson hosted the United States' first iftar at the White House. It was an unintentional event, one that occurred as a result of Jefferson's scheduled meeting with an invited envoy from the Tunisian government. It was the end of the first Barbary War, and Jefferson was anxious to establish better diplomatic relations with the North African states while ensuring the security of American interests in the Mediterranean. Upon being informed of the envoy's fasting to observe the Islamic month of Ramadan, Jefferson had the mealtime at the White House changed from 3:30 in the afternoon to "precisely at sunset" in an effort to accommodate his guest.

This gesture on behalf of the president was not simply a diplomatic one, but one that demonstrated Jefferson's familiarity and comfort with Islam, a faith that interested him since his time as a student at the College of William & Mary. Indeed, Jefferson's interest in the Qur'an and his own study of Arabic led to his active promotion and eventual creation of an Oriental Languages department at his alma mater.

As a scholar and a diplomat, Jefferson was keenly aware and interested in the world outside of America and the importance of cultural and intellectual capital to the success of the United States. In studying his Qur'an and the documents that he produced as a part of his nation-building efforts, we see just how Jefferson deployed his knowledge and perhaps how influential Islam was to of one of the nation's founding fathers.

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http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/Public/focus/essay1009_jefferson.html

Have you never read the Life of Thomas Jefferson?

 

This is what you claimed:

You don't sue a county for enforcing it's laws. And if you're stupid enough to try to, then when you lose,

I just provided two examples of counties in Florida where that is clearly not true.

Soveriegn immunity is a real legal term. But it isn't what you think it is.

 

True, but we need not worry about that, since I ALREADY proved it. So, once again ? Nah! No need to prove once again. Once is enough.

So maybe you'd like to tell us what it is, huh ?

 

The way I heard it, Jefferson read the Koran for one reason >> Know thy enemy.

 

Then you didn't read the article... typical.

 

So you're claiming that a supremacist group which claims supremacy, is not in violation of the Supremacy Clause ? Sounds like that's what you're saying.

I read enough.

 

Well, it not so easy to just "find one". (or any prosecution). Can you find a prosecution for yelling fire in a crowded theater ? Show me one (within the next 15 minutes). How about creating a disturbance ? That ought to be easy. But to find one right off the cuff ? I don't know about that.

 

Have you read the Constitution of Medina? Jefferson did.

 

I heard it was because Jefferson was a scholar.

 

So no one but yourself claims that the law is being broken.

And you can't find anyone who has been prosecuted for alledgedly breaking this law.

Sounds like a vast problem that only you are aware of.

 

You hear it one way. I hear it another. You watch one TV news network ? I watch them ALL.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rbing-choosing-slit-lambs-throat-private.html

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/eid-home-butchers-face-prosecution-and-a-dh2-000-fine

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2011/...ing-animals-throats-in-the-streets-of-moscow/

 

Read the Life of Jefferson... or even the article from Wm and Mary that I posted....
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ABU DHABI // More than 1,000 animals had been slaughtered at the public Al Mina abattoir by noon yesterday, and 3,000 more were expected to have met a similar fate by the end of the first day of Eid Al Adha.

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That is what I am saying.

Article VI, Section 2, of the U.S. Constitution is known as the Supremacy Clause because it provides that the "Constitution, and the Laws of the United States &#8230; shall be the supreme Law of the Land." It means that the federal government, in exercising any of the powers enumerated in the Constitution, must prevail over any conflicting or inconsistent state exercise of power.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Supremacy+Clause

The First Amendment is part of the Constitution. The Supremacy Act says that the First Amendment is the supreme law of the land- when it comes to religious freedom.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/supremacy_clause

Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the Constitution is commonly referred to as the Supremacy Clause. It establishes that the federal constitution, and federal law generally, take precedence over state laws, and even state constitutions.
See Preemption;constitutional clauses.

The Supremacy clause actually means that no state can outlaw Islam, because the First Amendment takes precedent.

 

ABU DHABI // More than 1,000 animals had been slaughtered at the public Al Mina abattoir by noon yesterday, and 3,000 more were expected to have met a similar fate by the end of the first day of Eid Al Adha.

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Thousands of residents waited in a queue that snaked around the block for their turn at the slaughterhouse, which charges Dh15 per head to butcher lambs, goats, and sheep.

Dozens of vendors lined the nearby streets, selling animals, plastic bags and rope for leads from the backs of pick-up trucks.

For some, this hustle and bustle, although part of the government-approved process, took away from the tradition of slaughtering the animals at home.

Tied upside down next to a dusty piece of corrugated roofing, a butchered lamb will feed between three and four families, they said. So long as the carcass is looked after, there should be no problem, said one of the men, who did not want his name used.

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Sure- nothing about using these animals for food.....

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I frankly am not terribly concened with the laws of the AE or Russia.

But thanks for sharing.

 

As it says in the Bible, "What ye sow, that ye shall reap." Perhaps these killers will be born again, this time as goats and sheep, only to have packs of murderous loons killing them, and in terrible ways.

http://www.occupyforanimals.org/aid-al-kabir-or-eid-al-adha.html

 

Yes just like it says in the Bible.....lol.


Genesis 8:20 - And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

Leviticus 4:35
35 And all its fat he shall remove cas the fat of the lamb is removed from the sacrifice of peace offerings, and the priest shall burn it on the altar, on top of the Lord&#8217;s food offerings. dAnd the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed, and he shall be forgiven.

 

And not very "frankly", you choose to sidestep the dailymail link, the title of which is >>> "Muslims banned from slitting throat of sacrificial lamb during religious festival in Florida field (but they vow to do it anyway)"

I gave 3 links. You responded to 2 of them, omitting the 3rd, because you know it is from the USA, and then you have the nerve to pretend that the whole post was irrelevant, by referring to outside the US countries. So now you get your chance to respond to the WHOLE post (daily mail link included).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rbing-choosing-slit-lambs-throat-private.html
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I like posts of this nature as they're fun.
Let's start with simple maths and make conclusions from there.

According to the OP, it's a Muslim's duty to kill an animal.
However, 100 million are killed worldwide, 10 million of those in Pakistan.

http://countrymeters.info/en/Pakistan/

Population of Pakistan = 183,160,515.

Hang on...it's a Muslim's duty to kill an animal but 172 million Muslims in Pakistan don't do it.
WOW - Will they all go to hell or is the OP talking a load of old bollocks?

 

The Daily Mail is a tabloid rag... Do they have stringers in Florida?

Mr Hamze says they had already received permission from the land owner to carry out their sacrifice, which would involve a lamb's throat slit, before Ms Alu persuaded the owners to withdraw their permission

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