Evidence that the Holocaust DIDN'T happen?

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  1. pitbull

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    Holocaust deniers have to protect their false beliefs, so they always claim that all eyewitnesses are liars and all documents are fake. Therefore everyone thinks they're crazy or stupid.
     
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    Nonsense...

    The millions of holocaust survivors currently collecting $ Billions from fraudulent reparation scams(*), phony books and "personal accounts"(1) are alive and well according to Jewish sources:

    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED(2)

    Of course brainwashed holocaustian cult members can't explain how the world's Jewish population grew by almost 4 million over the years that "6 million" were allegedly "vaporized"(3), killed in homicidal steam, electrocution(4) and gas chambers and turned into "human soap" and "human skin pocketbooks".



    (*)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



    (1) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED



    (2) "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm



    (3) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED


    (4) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED
     
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    Richard Krege found no mass graves because he didn't want to find them. Krege is a typical Holocaust denier just like Germar Rudolf.
    Look at this: https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/or7-krege-investigation/
     
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    I dare you to show even one thing that I've posted and supported that was not true.

    Re:
    Again, you're not telling the truth.

    I've repeatedly posted truthful eyewitness accounts that dispute the holocaustian lies you've been brainwashed into believing.

    For Example:

    "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    - EXCERPT " An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish forced laborer. On the train journey to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz. Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, intead of gas, water came out of the shower heads." CONTINUED (2)


    - EXCERPT " A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of gas chambers during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing stories only later." CONTINUED
     
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    Krege's findings were the same as later findings and perfectly valid.

    You conveniently omitted my additional source that showed that the Smithsonian's C.S. Colls found no mass graves either:

    “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves."CONTINUED


    A lie by omission is still a lie but without lies, brainwashed holocaustians have nothing but bigoted anti German slander.
     
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    Please don't cite the questionable IHR, bro. They are a community of history forgers. Nobody takes them seriously! :(
     
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    You had zero credible explanation for the disappearance of millions of Jews during WW2 and you haven't provided one here. Just the same, tired & debunked links.

    But hey, for laughs you could just make up the same pretend reasons as last time.
     
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    IHR cites primary sources to support its facts and is far more credible than the fraudulent Holocaust Industry that has been caught in numerous long running scams.

    Why would you believe anything perpetrated by an organization that has shown a deliberate willingness to deceive?


    "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED
     
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    The link I provided were from Jewish sources(1) and do not account for the many Jews who simply changed religions.

    Still, the world's Jewish population grew by almost 4 million between 1939 and 1947. How could that Jewish population grow by almost 4 million if "6 million" were killed?

    Numbers don't lie.

    (1) "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm


    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED
     
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    IHR members cite primary sources to twist them beyond recognition in order to fit their false and hateful claims. They are professional liars and professional HC deniers.

    There is nothing such 'alternate history'. There is one and only one true history supported by respected historians all over the world. IHR is for right wing thugs, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and Jew haters.

    Please distance yourself from this garbage!
     
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    Nonsense.

    IHR relies on primary sources to support its facts.

    For example:

    “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.


    I researched and read the entire NMT "green series" Vol. 8 and it said exactly what was claimed in the IHR article.
    Additionally, IHR has made it clear that it in no way supports Neo Nazism or anti Semitism.

    IHR is anathema to brainwashed holocaustians because its facts are irrefutable so they must resort to the usual baseless slander.


    Why do you rely on Holocaust industry garbage especially when they've been caught in multiple long running scams?


    1. "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



    2. "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED
     
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    As long as you believe the IHR liars, nobody can help you.
     
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    Please show where IHR has lied in any of its articles or stop the slander.
     
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    Why are you being so evasive in answering questions?

    For example:

    1. Why do you rely on Holocaust industry garbage especially when they've been caught in multiple long running scams?

    2. Why are there no mass graves at Treblinka according to Krege and BBC?

    “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves."CONTINUED
     
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    Because you mostly ask suggestive questions.
    Answering such questions would always weaken my position, regardless of what the answer is.
    I answer what I personally find interesting. Please don't see yourself as an interviewer. :)
     
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    Thanks in large part to Deborah Lipstadt, the Holocaust denial movement was thoroughly debunked decades ago.

    ""He makes surprising and often unfounded assertions about the Nazi regime which tend to exonerate the Nazis for the appalling atrocities which they inflicted on the Jews.

    "He is content to mix with neo-fascists and appears to share many of their racist and anti-Semitic prejudices.

    "The picture of Irving which emerges from the evidence of his extra-curricular activities reveals him to be a rightwing pro-Nazi polemicist.

    "In my view, the defendants have established that Irving has a political agenda. It is one which, it is legitimate to infer, disposes him, where he deems it necessary, to manipulate the historical record in order to make it conform with his political beliefs."

    Irving had denied all the charges in Professor Lipstadt's book. The judge found: "Irving has for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence; that for the same reasons he has portrayed Hitler in an unwarrantedly favourable light, principally in relation to his attitude towards, and responsibility for, the treatment of the Jews."

    Mr Justice Gray ruled that the author was "an active Holocaust denier; that he is anti-Semitic and racist and that he associates with rightwing extremists who promote neo-Nazism"."
    THE GUARDIAN, The David Irving libel trial: special report, By Vikram Dodd, 12 Apr 2000.
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2000/apr/12/uk.irving
     
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    Yeah, she did a great job. But unfortunately, there are many HC deniers hanging around on the Internet.
    I think it will be a long-long time before holocaust denial is finally extinct.
     
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    Alas.
     
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    (from post #57)

    I didn't notice that one of the links I linked to was dead. Here's a fresh one.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/american-imperialism.371897/

    Also, when I posted that info four years ago Google was more objective. The link to the info on depleted uranium led to some pretty heavy stuff. Now it leads to some tamer stuff that doesn't show the worst of it. Here's some new stuff.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=pro...WFyIUKHTJmAigQ_AUICigA&biw=1366&bih=657&dpr=1
    https://davidswanson.org/new-study-documents-depleted-uranium-impacts-on-children-in-iraq/
    https://www.google.com/search?q=pro...hUKEwjztZSFy_XrAhVPwIUKHVTICLUQ_AUoA3oECAEQAw

    The reason I posted this stuff is that you seem to have unshakable faith in the American media. You have a naive willingness to believe when you see info from the American mainstream and you have an a priori incredulity when you see alternative info. You don't use the scientific method*. If you don't use the scientific method, you may come to an erroneous conclusion.

    After having looked at that info on depleted uranium, what do you think of this article?
    http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/b04151999_bt170-99.htm

    Please don't say this is off-topic. The issue of whether the American media are credible is part of this debate.


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    https://www.google.es/search?q=scie...W1A2MBHa4GDuUQ_AUICigA&biw=1366&bih=657&dpr=1
     
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    No objective person who looks at all the info will agree with you. You're trying to sway those viewers who haven't taken the time to look at it.

    David Irving on the Lipstadt Trial
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...h?q=Deborah+Lipstadt+david+irving&FORM=HDRSC3

    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/
    http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0
     
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    I don't think so. :)
    Whether the Holocaust took place or not, doesn't depend on the media or personal belief. The media is often wrong. But historians only rarely.
     
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    The High Priestess of the fraudulent holocaustian cult, Lipstadt, didn't debunk anything or anyone. She was mute throughout the whole trial as her $3 million dollar legal team did all the dirty work.

    If, as you claim, the "holocaust denial" / Truth movement was debunked decades ago, why then do only about 1/3 of the world's population believe what is the most grotesque conspiracy story ever told? (1)

    It is more likely that only about 1/4 of the people around the world believe the fraudulent story because many of those polled by the ADL live in countries with "holocaust denial laws" and would be afraid to answer honestly out of fear of incarceration.




    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    This statement only shows what a crazy fanatic you are.
    Why you're exaggerating like that? Arguing like this doesn't help you nor your cause.
     

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