Federal Judge In Sentencing General Flynn Drops Bombshell On FBI!

thanks for the opinions.

mea culpa. I see I clearly did appeal to authority.

Now, can you answer the question? Why wasn't there a criminal referral from congress? Could it be a question of national security?

totally agree. Just like it is to lie to fbi agents.

Perhaps there is a difference between lying to protect national security and lying to hide meetings with foreign nationals and active known spies.

No, it wasn't that at all. it was your whataboutery that prompted my snarky response wrt your legal expertise backing up your absolute definitive statements of guilt.

This is a thread about Flynn and his mendacity and malfeasance.
The transparent "oh yeah but whatabout" defense is standard operating procedure for many a die hard partisan.
Its misuse results in the non-salient comparatives and a host of logical fallacies.

I will grant that logical fallacy does not mean "lie" since many can actually be true statements.

 

But Obama.....

 

Of course there is a difference but what does this have to do with Clapper ?

What exactly are you claiming here ... that Clapper had to lie to the "Senate intelligence committee" to protect national security ?

Explain.

Second: How does lying to the Senate Intelligence committee about en mass spying on US citizens - protect national security ?

Explain.

 

So that excuses all of the illegalities, crimes and lies of a plethora of trumpians? Never before has there been so many criminal investigations into an administration by that administration's OWN JUSTICE DEPT. Virtually every aspect of his business and campaign has come under investigation. Half a dozen cabinet members are facing serious IG investigations for malfeasance.

 

Miranda is always required when criminal suspects are being questioned. It's actually astounding to hear "liberals" argue otherwise. Flynn's firing, just like "nut job" Jim Comey's firing ... doesn't require explanation. It's not relevant to the FBI's criminal malfeasance either. Flynn lying doesn't excuse or negate the FBI's criminal misconduct. Let a federal judge determine if "ends justify means" ... Yates and Comey need to face a grand jury.

 

you get real Flynn was entrapped by a rogue FBI over a tape that he did not fully remember because it was little more fluff.

 

There weren't any or Trump would already be gone.

 

READ: Mueller Files Sentencing Memo Rebuttal To Michael Flynn

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/read-mueller-flynn-sentencing-memo

“A sitting National Security Advisor, former head of an intelligence agency, retired Lieutenant General, and 33-year veteran of the armed forces knows he should not lie to federal Agents,” Mueller said. “He does not need to be warned it is a crime to lie to federal agents to know the importance of telling them the truth.”

Next.

 

Disregarding the opinions of the FBI agents who were actually there who said they did not believe he was lying.

 

I'm loving it.

Andrew McCabe lied so will the FBI apply the same rules against him that it applies to all of us?

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-...l-the-fbi-apply-the-same-rules-against-him-it

 

They knew he was lying.

 

Disregarding all evidence to the contrary.

"The documents include then-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe’s notes after talking with Flynn to arrange his interview with the FBI. It also includes a so-called "302" report documenting what Flynn told anti-Trump agent Peter Strzok and one other agent during their conversation at the White House. That July 2017 report, though, specifically came from an interview with Strzok in which the Flynn encounter was discussed -- and not the original Flynn interview. It was unclear why no "302" report from the interview itself was included.

The 302 report stated that Strzok and the other agent “both had the impression at the time that Flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-releases-key-documents-of-fbi-interview-with-michael-flynn

"Comey Told Congress FBI Agents Didn't Think Flynn Lied"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/02/13/comey_told_congress_fbi_agents_didn039t_think_flynn_lied_434274.htm

I would say Mueller has some "splainin" to do.

 

No. It is not required for questioning. It is required after arrest.

 

Flynn lied. Flynn confessed he lied. Flynn didn't have to lie, but he did. Flynn wasn't forced to lie, but he did. Flynn wasn't asked to lie, but he did.

In order to try to defend him Trumpster's now trot out all manner of rubbish, conspiracy theories, and other rhetorical gymnastics in order to obfuscate a simple fact...............Flynn lied.

 

Maybe he was having a bad day - you think? There were a lot of things he couldn't remember that day. Read the charging document.

 

According to Flynn, he was threatened with even worse consequences, if he did not confess. There is no doubt that he got a recommendation for a reduced sentence for "cooperating".

The one thing you cannot explain away is that the FBI agents who originally interviewed him did not think he was lying. And that is damning for Mueller.

 

The fact that he is a good liar doesn't make him not guilty.
They had his tapes.

 

So then why did Strzok and Agent Pientka the 2 from the FBI who first spoke to Flynn say.....he didn't lie.

 

Another one of those who from a distance is better at determining whether someone who is lying than trained experienced agents who were in the room at the time. Amazing ability. I always wonder where people get these amazing abilities. Psychic maybe?

 

No, they get them from the tape recordings that don't match the conversation. It's easy. Really it is.

 

For anyone who attempts denial that a perjury trap is a real thing this is a case study.

 

But that by itself does not constitute lying.

 

Mueller had not been named Special Counsel when Flynn was interviewed. The interview when Flynn lied. The lie he confessed to.

 

None of that changes a thing. FBI interviewers said they did not think Flynn was lying. So you are back to thinking you know more than the FBI interviewers who actually did the interviewing. Having no actual knowledge of the event must be a terrible burden to bear when you want things to be so different.

 

We just had a pit bull kill a horse in its prime here. I didn't believe that could happen either.