Female Marine drops out of infantry course

That's a bunch of horse(*)(*)(*)(*). And you don't need upper body strength as much as you need leg strength and endurance.

 

Okay. Cool.

I don't quite understand this worry. She's a soldier; she volunteered. I would feel the same way I would feel if a male soldier were beheaded. Are we supposed to place less value on the lives of our male volunteers?

 

I wouldn't say the military is conservative. I don't even see how that makes any sense. It's big government. It's ALL government. Heck, military isn't allowed public religious items.

Also, since 2011, you're now more casually allowed to voice political opinions on social media. There are some restrictions about remarks of anyone who outranks you, but people can voice their political opinion in many ways. I do it all the time. Same with these two Bernie nuts I know.

 

That also is known from the Russian WWII experience. It was HIGHLY motivational to both the men and women in the Russian military. The effect in the USA would be to generate MASSIVE support for our troops and war effort.

 

Why don't you tell us your typical day as a "soldier", sexist?

I love how you ignore the fact that there are women who hotshots that would demolish you any day of the week.

 

Women need less food and less water per body weight as they process food and water more efficiently. They do not need to carry as much, particularly since this is combined with generally lower body weight.

 

Aw how cute, you think your military experience is more "rigorous" than my fire experience.

Blow-it armchair wanna-be.

You'll never be as cool as real soldiers, and you'll never be able to compete with me physically or mentally.

I know women who would break you in half.

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Not to mention that in today's day and age, a gun weighs a few pounds, a ruck sack actually ways about 30-40lbs (it's a myth that they weigh more and it's a proven myth and wanna-be combat veterans are pathetic for claiming they "ruck" around 100lbs or more).

The modern soldier carries MUCH less weight than the ww2 veteran did, and because of improvements in technology and materials. Most of your weight will be water and 3 gallons is only about ~30 pounds. If the military operates anything like the fire service they probably have some extra water cubees which are 5 gallons or about 45 lbs and they trade-off who carries those on marches.

If they rely only on personal carry weight then they are doubtfully carrying more than 3 gallons.

And if they aren't carrying more than 3 gallons then they aren't doing much work...period.

You're not doing work if you aren't losing 3 gallons of water a day.

 

Women play a vital role in many MP units. I pulled security for a unit pulling security for 88mikes. Women there had combat roles, but their units stopped every couple of miles to rest. Easiest rucks I've ever done.

My typical day when? Garrison, TDY, or when I hit the fob?

I'm happy to have my friends and I give you everything you want to know.

DOD runs GoArmy.com forums. There, any soldier has to register their username with our AKO email (directions are on the forum). So you can see the military personnel vs. civilians. Since you are very unsure of how our military works, feel free to stop by.

 

Lower rankers in the military should never be allowed any policy decisions. They are like workers on an assembly who bitterly claim they know how to run a company than the management that actually does.

While there certainly are exceptions for military personnel actually in combat - as in shooting combat - most never see action - but then the rest of their life try to convince others how tough they are and how much danger they face - and claim to be experts on the military and war. Most police face far more danger than those who served in the military.

 

I spent twenty years in the Army most as llB, Airborne Ranger. I don't think I ever saw a women who could do one pull-up.

 

LOL fire experience?

You're a cute little fireman?

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Welcome Ranger. 11B also. Just met one of your buddies Nick the Reaper in Texas yesterday.

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"lower rankers" or Junior Enlisted as they are actually called...don't make political decisions and never will. Why is that relevant?

 

Contrary to your assumption, conservative doesn't necessarily mean "small government." A small-government conservative is just one type of conservative. And even small-government conservatives support the existence of the military.

Military culture is conservative. It's super hierarchial, and based on (mostly) unquestioning respect for authority. It's filled with traditions, and all sorts of "we do things this way because we've always done things this way, and it has worked so far."

Changing that culture is slow and halting, unless goosed by outside forces (strong directives from civilian leadership, or the pressures of wartime).

Glad to hear it. Wasn't really like that when I was in, especially in the officer corps. I kept my mouth shut about politics. Sometimes I had to bite my tongue hard, listening to some of the things people said.

Nonetheless, if you know (or think) that all your friends are conservative, you're less likely to voice non-conservative views -- and if you do, you will voice them more quietly, or with more moderation. In that same environment, someone who is strongly conservative would feel free to loudly voice their extreme conservatism, knowing that most of the people around them at least mostly agree.

As a parallel, 10 years ago most people would say they didn't know many gay people. It wasn't because gay people weren't there -- it was because many, many gay people were either in the closet or just totally kept that part of their life to themselves and a few trusted friends.

Now that being gay is less stigmatized, more gay people are being open about it. It feels like an explosion of gayness -- but really, it's just coming out of hiding.

 

Nor military policy.

 

I can tell you have military experience. I don't think I ever say a firefighter who wasn't 50 lbs overweight.

 

Fair enough, nice post.

 

You can't back-up your sexism.

You think women have a certain limitation, as if combat soldiers (and their 90% of their time spent sitting on their ass) disqualify women from being able to do the work.

I did the same type of work as a soldier, I did the SAME type of work as a machine gunner. I carried around 40+lbs chain saw on top of all my gear. I held it in my fore arms. I didn't get a nice little tripod to set it down on either. I had to carry it around like Basilone on Iwo Jima. With my (*)(*)(*)(*)ing forearms.

I had to move at a fast pace (I'm certain you guys don't spend 100% of your time running around like chickens with your heads cut-off in all those war movies you watch wishing you were an action hero).

We "hiked" at a strong pace, kept that pace whether we went straight-up a mountain or down or along the side.

Unlike soldiers we weren't shot at.

But unlike soldiers we had to work in extreme temperature environments. (I was also a structure fire fighter and don't get me started on exposing what wussies soldiers are compared to a high-rise structure fire).

Working in 150 degree+ ambient temperatures changes things dramatically, put you on a side of a mountain and it REALLY changes things.

The work wasn't stop and go, it was all go, all day and all night, YOU had to keep up with mother nature.

And guess what.

Women filled both these capacities...both wildland and structure....and got the work done all the same.

 

Try reading the OP before starting your comments

"He added that 33 additional officers have been dropped from the course out of a starting class comprising 97 officers."

NONE of the women made it through the course.

 

Firefighters. Where being 300LBS and eating your lunch at Safeway is cool!

Lol what a joke. I thought you were going to say something worth while.

Can you please train the women in the Army to pass PT tests like these hybrid women you have in your little fire house?

 

The course is not impossible to pass, for men at least. Are you suggesting the standards be lowered so women can be pass?

 

Oh, next time you get to carry a machine gun, or just a big heavy chainsaw, now imagine using it on a tree that's on fire....I want you to really imagine it, imagine that 500degree furnace blasting you in the face, melting your ear wax, and pumping you full of Carbon monoxide giving you a nice splitting head-ache.

I want you to imagine holding that saw in your forearms for 16 hours (standard work day for a wildland crew/engine).

I want you to then realize that women "hike" around doing that same job...and please tell me how magically they can't be Infantry?

Infantry is pathetic, you're not even mountain soldiers...you spend maybe one 2 week training phase in a mountainous environment just to get an "appreciation" of it and that's it.

 

Er ... combat loads ARE often north of 100 pounds for infantry.
https://protonex.com/blog/what-do-soldiers-carry-and-whats-its-weight/


Today the average US soldier carries at least 60 pounds of gear, with an extended patrol often doubling that weight. Specialized warfighters, such as Automatic Riflemen, Combat Medics, and Special Operations can see totals much higher. For example, US Army Spc. Craig Brown carries 90 pounds of gear as a SAW gunner, not including a ruck.


http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/weight-of-war-military-struggles-to-lighten-soldiers-load/


In the summer of 2008, a team of Army advisers working in the rugged terrain of eastern Afghanistan found the load shouldered by soldiers had reached a kind of tipping point.

These soldiers trudged through the mountains with body armor, weapons and a variety of other equipment. The weight often topped 100 pounds, wearing down soldiers and restricting their movements when they came under fire from insurgents.

 

Let's stop spending the valuable time and resources proving that point they can't or trying to adapt the military to accommodate them.

 

Sorry you must be confusing SOME people with the firefighters who are actually doing the work.

Maybe you mean a pump operator, or an "officer". Or maybe you mean some less productive crew like convicts or whatever.

But as for professional firefighters on the front line, no, they are not "300 lbs" eating safeway sandwiches.

Maybe you mean some of your fellow squad-mates, since I doubt very much you ever do much of anything.

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That's a big fat lie, how about you actually go through EVERY item of equipment and its weight and add it all up, instead of quoting stupid news papers.

 

Does the point really escape you? Yes about 30% of men drop out or cannot meet the standard by 70% do. 100% of the women dropped out or could not meet the standard.

 

When I was at Ft Benning, to gain entry into training, we had to do the fitness test and at the end we had to do 4 of these.

I notice that now only 1 is required for 20 seconds.

I assure you 4 is harder to do.

http://www.benning.army.mil/infantry/rtb/1-507th/airborne/entrancereq.html