Female Marine drops out of infantry course

Agreed. I got troll-baited.

 

Tell YOUR combat experience first. Be specific, not just where you were.

 

Why would we want to do that ? Front line infantry is no place for most women. God bless them if they can pass. Maybe Rhonda Rousey should give it a try.

 

WTF?

Not only are you flat-out dismissing the news stories that asked this very question, the Protonex link DOES EXACTLY THAT.

Clothing (uniform, boots, etc): 10lbs
Body armor: 33lbs
Load-carrying gear (known as an LBE in my day): highly variable, based on what you're hanging on it.
Ruck: Highly variable, depending on the mission. As little as 20lbs, as much as 100lbs or more.
Electronics: Unclear. Suggests 16lbs for batteries alone.

But even on a light mission, you're often carrying a minimum of 63 pounds of stuff, not counting your weapon, ammo and whatever else is attached to your LBE.

 

The Marines would fail her. Knowing she could do pull ups they would insure she is fully exhausted and muscle worn before testing her. They can blow out any woman they want to. It's simple to do.

 

100lbs of gear is bull(*)(*)(*)(*)! proof right here: Page 35
http://www.bragg.army.mil/82nd/AAS/Documents/4500_9_R_DTR_Part_III.pdf

These are general weight guides, and since the military likes to "specify" everything I have the FULLEST confidence that this is the typical load per gear type per type of soldier (combatant/etc)

Clearly we see that a rucksack is clocked in ONLY at 80lbs which is an over-estimated weight to give the helicopter pilot allowance for safety weight.

So the Ruck is probably somewhere below 70lbs.

Given that they estimate the average soldier to be 210lbs when we know the national average of male weight is 185 lbs that gives us a ball park of about 25pounds or about 1/8th of the total weight is allowance for safety.

So I'd say 70 lbs is a reasonable estimate (1/8th less). And I would say it IS a reasonable estimate.

But that's 30% less than 100lbs, which is A LOT less.

And that's ONLY FOR COMBAT RUCKS

Training rucks which MOST SOLDIERS experience is only 40lbs, or probably 32 pounds, which makes sense, since most likely it's mostly just water.

 

Mission equipment. Everyone carries extra M60 ammo, MREs weight about 1.75 lbs ea, E-tool, mortar rds. radios, stuff to survive, poncho, poncho liner, extra socks, cold weather gear, MOP gear, protective mask.

 

I just owned your ass with official military manuals.

I expect a full apology from your sorry-non-combat ass.

You're not physically fit enough to kiss my ash-dirtied boots.

I might let you lick clean my oil soaked chaps.

 

Next the left will insist that professional football teams have women playing up on the line too.

I can't understand why the Democrats act as if combat is easy duty.

 

All of it is accounted for in the combat weight, sorry what part of a HELICOPTER MANIFEST do you not understand?

Or is that why you're "infantry"? Because you don't understand?

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Professional football teams would DESTROY any marine, man or woman, in the exact activity that they perform. So there's no reason to put women on that field, it's not even remotely comparable.

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Sorry juanvaldez, I misread your post thought you quoted the Military Helicopter weight manifest guidelines that I quoted just recently proving my point.

That soldiers over estimate their weights to sound cool and tough.

 

Looks like your ignorance really shows. I take back my opinion about you being in Cub Scouts and shooting a BB gun. Obvious you've never achieved even that level.

 

One time, I sprayed my firefighters hose so hard I hurt my elbow

 

39 BWHAHAHA!!! Did you see the guy pump out 200. I was not lying when I said I never saw a woman who could do a single pull up. Most of the women in the military are not world class athletes.

 

I love it when I quote the US military itself and its own weight estimates for its standardized pack gear...and you STILL think I'm wrong.

You're so lame.

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I never said easy, I say it's do-able by women just the same as men. And probably by a majority of women but not as many women as men because there is a general physical difference.

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Most of the men in the military are not world class athletes either.

 

What is your problem?

You are objectively wrong.

Your post about weight guidelines for aircraft makes several unwarranted assumptions and is just flat-out wrong in other places.

For instance, you reduce 210 lbs to 185 lbs, assuming the military is overestimating weight for safety reasons.

But you somehow missed that lower down that list, it counts a "noncombat" person as 175 lbs.

The 210 was for a soldier PLUS his LBE and a weapon. It wasn't a safety margin.

Then you discount the ruck weight as ONLY 80 pounds. Never mind that ruck weight is competely dependent on the mission, so it can range from very light (20 lbs.) to very heavy (more than 100 lbs). The 80lbs is also a GENERAL GUIDELINE. In real life, if you were anywhere close to the aircraft's weight limit, they would try to weigh the actual people. Your list even SAYS that.

Notice that a combat-loaded parachutist with web gear, weapon, ruck and parachute clocks in at 350 lbs. That poor schmoe is carrying at least 165 pounds. 53 of that is the parachute and reserve, leaving him with an on-the-ground load of 108 pounds.

 

This has always been the case. The only time a woman has hung with men in training is in the 1998 film GI Jane.

 

When I was in the Army, by the mess hall, at Fort Ord, CA, there was one chin up bar. But this video is not showing what we called then Air Borne pull ups or currently they call them flex arm hangs.

[video=youtube;YtqW2SYYxP0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtqW2SYYxP0[/video]

I read today they do 1 flex arm hang.

We had to do 4 to be allowed to start the Air Borne course.

I noticed by the Air Borne mess hall where we ate, a stake with a message board on it. i checked it out and it had lists of drop outs. Drops from the East area got shipped to Korea. Those of us from the West got shipped to Europe.

I took a gamble I would go to Europe and dropped the course.

I don't know of today but back then Air Borne had what they called the Gorilla pit. There you spent all day doing exercises. I was super on the Air Borne PT test. None of it was one bit hard for me. But those damned 4 Air Borne pull ups.

Well, i ended up in Germany. I was drafted and had no thoughts of a career there.

My civilian pay was very high. Army pay sucked something terrible.

 

The military could save lots of money, instead of wasting all that money training Special Forces, Rangers and SEALs they could just hire firefighters, BWAHAHAHA!!!

When I went to Ranger School in '83 we had to do 45 pushups, 45 setups, 6 pullups and run 2 miles in under 16 minutes in boots, not very strenuous. It was interesting in that most of the folks there were animals and cold easily max the PT test. When you got to 45, 6 they would tell you to move out, this ain't no PT contest. Of the 100 in my class 50 made it, about average.

 

Just an idea, but isn't the flex arm hang a bit biased? I'm a rather strong person ~220lbs of muscle, low body fat percentage, none too high either....and for as strong as I am it's a lot more work for me to do a pull-up than it is for a friend who weighs only 150lbs.

But I can grab him and throw him like a spear.

So ........ wouldn't it be better to do weighted "flex arm hangs" instead? Because it would be much more difficult for a 150 lbs person to do a flex arm hang with another ~45lbs on him than it would be for me to do...adding ~45 lbs to my pull ups really isn't adding much at all.

In this way you would positively bias the result to weed out scrawny clowns, which I'm sure could do flex-hangs and muscle-ups and all those cool nifty tricks all day long.

 

I see no reason to not let them try. One failing isn't proof that nobody can do it.

 

Your PT criteria is less than the daily PT routine of my old hotshot crew.

So ... are you saying your PT proves your physical fitness?

I think it's laughable when you put down firefighters as physically fit.

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What? I don't reduce nothing! It's quoted later on in the report!

Oh now we are comparing the gear of a parachutest who drops half his gear when he jumps? You're not walking around with 108 pounds, lol. That's a bunch of asinine (*)(*)(*)(*). And I guarantee you never weighed your gear that you actually used. You probably weighed your pre-flight gear.

It's not dependent upon mission. Do you weigh your gear before each mission before boarding the helicopter? Yes or no? If not? Then the helicopter is using a standard "catchall" weight that is higher then the HEAVIEST possible weight.

 

If they're competitive in the application process, I agree. But I think they should be pooled with men as applicants.

 

I find it amazing I have to argue weight manifests with "soldiers" whose admitted profession (infantry/Airborne) is don't think and do as you're told.

It's like trying to explain magic-tricks to children....

Maybe you should just let us critical thinkers remain the critical thinkers which is why we even know to look-up weigh manifests in the first place.

I'm sure it never crossed any of your minds until I came along and exposed you to the blinding light of the sun. Go back to your dark caves.

 

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