"High taxes be damned, the rich keep moving to California"

How's living in Kazakhstan going for you? Should we compare California to your country? Hey, how about a photo of your lovely surroundings?

 

If a blue state like California is such a paradise, why is it losing population to red states like Texas and Arizona?

For many years, more people have been leaving California for other states than have been moving here. According to data from the American Community Survey, from 2007 to 2016, about 5 million people moved to California from other states, while about 6 million left California. On net, the state lost 1 million residents to domestic migration—about 2.5 percent of its total population.

https://lao.ca.gov/laoecontax/article/detail/265

Maybe big liberal government isn't quite the "common good" you think it is.

 

Its not rocket science. California is more expensive than either Arizona or Texas. Within the state it is more expensive to live near the beach than inland for the most part. Manhattan is more expensive than the Bronx. Miami Beach versus Hialeah. Chicago's Lake View compared to Cicero.

I see you live in Nevada and probably have been to California. Did you see human feces in the streets anywhere in California? It starts to get absurd how jealous Republicans hate anything they can't have. Like respect.

 

I lived in CA for most of the last 32 years, and moved to NV in 2012. The reality is that most of CA, territorially, is conservative, much of that downright red-neck. I worked in Sacramento for a number of years, and commuted in from the gold rush foothill area. It was a beautiful area to work and live in. South Lake Tahoe was about an hour drive.

Lately, CA seems to have gone off the rails politically. Statewide, they used to have a mix of Republican governors, senators, and representatives; now its becoming almost all Democrat, and much of that hyper-liberal.

The average household in CA spends an extra $2,000 per year in taxes on illegal immigration alone. Last time I checked, CA is spending about $25 billion per year subsidizing illegal immigration, which doesn't include all the other liberal pork they waste their money on. It's a cost I don't wish to bear.

The liberal elites and politicians in SF and LA might be living large, but they are ruining it for much of the rest of the state.

 

It is not so much the fact that Democrats are moving California leftward but rather an example of how radical Republicans have become over the years. We have always had plenty of Republican governors but they would never be nominated today by the GOP since they were pragmatists/ environmentalists/ did not hesitate to raise taxes when necessary/ did not promote religion, etc.

 

They're completely blind to the connection.

And then once they move to another state many of them act like they're still in California. With 40 million people, California dwarfs the populations of many surrounding Western states, and the exodus has had a very substantial impact in other places as far North as Boise Idahoe or Spokane.

California just kept taking in immigration from foreign countries during this time so it's population never shrank, in fact it gradually continued to grow.

 

You have it completely backwards. Maybe you've been in living in CA for so long that you can't see the forest for trees.

 

Texas brags about how many Californians they've been attracting to Texas. There may come a day when they regret it, if the large influx of Californians turns their state blue.

 

Can you challenge the record of governor Reagan who raised taxes more than any other governor to this day/ signed gun control legislation/ a liberal abortion bill and fought for environmental causes? California Republican governors were like Democrats more than the current GOP.

 

No matter how selectively you want to portray Reagan, he was far away more pragmatic than Jerry Brown, Gavin Newsom, or any of the other far-left extremists in CA that you now tie your horse to. The horse that's leading your state into the liberal abyss.

 

You may have a point. Brown and Schwarzenegger dealt with Democratic legislators. Like Reagan, they understood pragmatism. Governor Kasich of Ohio is like past Republican governors. Trump has poisoned the GOP and hurting moderates who would normally win elections in states like California.

 

Kasich is a pariah who betrayed his own party, which is something pragmatists don't do. He's now about as popular with the Republican party as Benedict Arnold was to the Continental Army. I can understand why you would like him though, you seem to be attracted to destructive influences.

 

There's no talking sense into anyone who continues to reject fellow Republicans as "pariahs".

 

Wouldn't that mean it is 23% higher in US?

 

Kasich didn't go from an 85% approval rating in 2015 to 47% now because he became a "darling" of the party, but because he betrayed the party. Not surprising though, that you and other anti-republicans would now cling to such a pariah.

 

Seriously, what is wrong with you? To discard/ invalidate other Republicans strongly suggests populist ideology. Congressman King [Iowa] tweet:

 

Indeed like all socialist states you end up with a small percentage of extreme wealth surrounded by abject poverty.

 

That is madness that a congressman would tweet that.

Good thing he's a dumbass. There wont be a civil war. Just people saying mean stuff online

 

At some point the state's population has to become disillusioned with California socialism. Or at the least think "this is the best there is".

The current trend seems to be pushing even more further to the radical Left, as if the problem must be that things aren't socialist enough.

 

A little off topic but I've been watching 'Fixer Upper' on HGTV [a fun couple from Texas who do great work rehabbing houses]. The price of houses in that part of Texas [Waco area] are a fraction of what it costs in California. I understand why people sell their homes in California, make a nice profit and then move out of state and buy a really nice house elsewhere. If only Texas wasn't so humid in summer and chilly during winter. Also it is too bad that Texas is so Republican.

 

The only question is who are those other people buying the houses?

Think about it. The native population of California is leaving. Immigrants from other countries, mostly poorer people, are moving in. If the price has gone up to stratospheric levels, who is buying those houses?

Maybe wealthy investors that are renting those houses out to be jam packed full of huge extended families with multiple low wage income earners?

 

10 years ago, I Snake Pliskened out of NY and moved to Indianapolis. We tripled our household income, and halved our expenses.

To this day, I still occasionally wake up in a cold sweat thinking I'm still living in NY.

I hate those terrifying nightmares.

 

I know a little about Indiana and have fond memories of the Lake Michigan snow belt. One of just a few individuals delighting in early season flurries in September [dancing in the snow] ending in early April. As a student, I lived in Great Lakes states [northern Indiana/ southern Michigan] & Northeast. Vivid summer thunderstorms but less humid than Philly/ NYC. All the little lakes/ swimming holes dotting the countryside in Michigan. But I was a Californian living only 6 yrs out of state knowing I would come home. Weather nerds like me are thrilled by extreme conditions that we are deprived of in a boring Mediterranean climate.

 

I grew up in way upstate NY. The harsh winters lasted too long, but I've always liked the change of seasons.

I lived in Southern California for a few years, and the monotony of the climate was boring. I was like "Where's winter?" and they were like "This is winter" and I was all "No, this is just a slightly darker shade of brown."

 

This wet season has been bountiful so the hills are a lush green and the Sierra is buried in snow. But April generally signals the end of rain until November unless we are lucky enough to get in on some monsoon thunderstorms. Summers seem to be getting more and more humid at least in SoCal but rainfall is scarce and periods of drought can last years. The northern states have the nicest summers in my opinion.