House Democrats zero in on 'abuse of power' in Trump impeachment inquiry

Yes, you hide testimony from other witnesses. Common sense.

 

You got a lot of precedent for trying to do a congressional preliminary impeachment investigation on a President without a special counsel being appointed because the AG is a toadie and sycophant of the man needing an investigation?

Dying to hear your argument for the need for any due process to a preliminary investigation by House of a possible impeachment proceeding. Why would you extend these rights to a president who has not been detained or arrested and who might later lose his job, his future benefit package, his access to the company jet, and his private personal access to the company retreat if the worst allegations are later confirmed , under circumstance when we would never think of extending to a man who might lose his life, his freedom and her property of the worst allegations of aggravated murder are confirmed?

Because guess what? The local police never invite a potential suspect in an aggravated murder investigation to join them at the crime scene to watch the gathering of evidence or processing the evidence in the lab, or when they question the neighbors, the buddies in the bar that night or the witnesses who directly accuse the suspect of shooting two days later. The suspect is not confronting any witnesses in the investigation, and his lawyer is nowhere to be seen UNLESS he is detained for questioning or arrested for the crime.

Here's a rule of thumb, If the suspect can get up and walk out on his own volition ( at liberty), and he is not having money or property he currently owns confiscated by fine or govt lean ( his property) and he is not being sentenced to die, ( his life) he has no due process rights in this country.

But Trump should get them in a House investigation just cuz you say so?

 

sorry, i have a hard time getting over the fact the Dems are abusing their power and crapping all over the Constitution of the United States. Their sour grapes for being soundly defeated has taken new heights.

 

You are fundamentally correct, but most Americans of all leanings won't support voting before an open process (unless it's Conservatives trying to pass a tax scam package, but I digress)...

Trump will have his day in Senate court, but he doesn't get to say when that begins..

 

Donald Trump's biggest flaw: He's not that bright - Chicago ...

The late William T. Kelley, who taught Trump at the University of Pennsylvania, said, “Donald Trump was the dumbest ******n student I ever had.” Tony Schwartz, the ghostwriter of “The Art of the...

https://www.chicagotribune.com/colu...chapman-donald-trump-dumb-20171103-story.html

Donald Trump has many serious flaws, including incorrigible dishonesty, rampant narcissism, contempt for women and a fashion sense that makes him think that hairstyle of his is flattering. But nothing compares to his most prominent, crippling and incurable defect: He’s dimmer than a 5-watt bulb.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was reported to have called the president a “moron” — emphasizing that term with an adjective I can’t repeat here. Forced to hold a news conference to praise the president’s intelligence, Tillerson was too honest to deny what he had said.

The late William T. Kelley, who taught Trump at the University of Pennsylvania, said, “Donald Trump was the dumbest ******n student I ever had.” Tony Schwartz, the ghostwriter of “The Art of the Deal,” says Trump had “a stunning level of superficial knowledge and plain ignorance.”

Trump’s feeble-mindedness is on daily view. When an Uzbek immigrant was arrested for allegedly driving a truck down a Manhattan bike path, killing eight people, the president responded in thunderously stupid ways. First, he tweeted that he had “just ordered Homeland Security to step up our already Extreme Vetting Program.” If you can step it up, why didn’t you do that before?

He fumed that the alleged killer wanted an Islamic State flag for his hospital room. Really? The guy reportedly killed eight people, and the flag is what steams you? Trump demanded the death penalty — opening the way for the suspect’s lawyers to argue that the president has made it impossible for him to get a fair trial.

Trump has learned nothing from his past blunders. As a candidate, he said Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was a traitor who should be executed. Asked about the case as president, he doubled down: “I think people have heard my comments in the past.”

The military judge announced he would count Trump’s statement as “mitigating evidence” — which may be why he ended up giving Bergdahl no prison time. Not only was Trump’s remark unnecessary and inappropriate; it was self-defeating.

He’s just not bright enough to make connections between his conduct and its consequences. Trump’s travel ban has lost repeatedly in court because he has made clear he has an unconstitutional goal: shutting out Muslims because of their religion. If he had kept quiet, he might have gotten his way.

The evidence of his dimwittedness flows as continuously and voluminously as the Mississippi River. His tweets are studded with misspellings, random capitalizations and mystifying quotation marks.

He taps out tweets that flagrantly contradict what he tweeted when Barack Obama was president, making himself look ridiculous. When he holds forth on policy issues, it’s excruciatingly apparent he has no idea what he’s talking about.

Trump relies on a vocabulary the size of a second-grader’s. To combat opioid abuse among teens, he favors “telling them, ‘No good, really bad for you in every way.’ ” Those paper towels he tossed to a crowd in Puerto Rico were “very good towels.” He wanted to call the tax reform bill “the Cut Cut Cut Act.”

He pretends to be a master negotiator, but he has failed to get the Republican Congress to repeal Obamacare, enact protections for immigrants brought here illegally as children, and fund his border wall.

Trump tries to conceal his intellectual deficiency by insisting how smart he is. “I went to an Ivy League college,” he said last month. “I’m a very intelligent person.” He has to make such affirmations because all the evidence indicates his cranium contains an airless void.

I don’t mean to suggest his supporters are dumb. There are plenty of intelligent people who voted for him and plenty of stupid ones who didn’t. But the smart Trump supporters don’t hold his intellect in awe.

After Tillerson’s “moron” comment was reported, Trump said, “I guess we’ll have to compare IQ tests. And I can tell you who is going to win.”

I’m sure plenty of readers are now saying I’m the stupid one, with a brain far inferior to Trump’s. They may be right. So I put a challenge to him: We both take an IQ test, administered by an independent body, with the results to be made public.

This is a great chance to dazzle the world with his peerless mind. It’s a chance for him to humiliate someone in the “fake news media” with his towering intellect.

But I’m betting Trump will never submit to any process that would document his actual intelligence for the public to see. He’s dumb. But not that dumb.

 

Trump said the constitution is fake

 

He does however get to know all the accusations against him, where they come from and EVERYTHING else to form his defense. He should have access to all of the information the house of reps has as soon as they have it.

 

Prove it.

 

“You people with this phony Emoluments Clause,” Trump told reporters.

 

Yes and Senate will provide him their version of 'due process' ( their rules extend them) but its iffy constitutionally how much due process they even need to, considering that again, the penalty of losing this 'trial' is loss of that security detail, not a fine, loss of the White House Chef and 24 hour kitchen, not his liberty, and loss of his very own White House desk and pen set, not his life.

 

No he didn’t...is this more parody?

 

That's vastly different than calling the constitution fake..

Learn that from CNN?

 

"Judge Daniels concluded that all the plaintiffs lacked standing to sue. He also suggested that if foreign governments were patronizing Trump businesses as a result of his presidency, this wouldn’t amount to a violation of the emoluments clause unless the president encouraged them to do so to receive some benefit from the U.S. government."

Yes, Trump has every right to call it a phony charge....... BECAUSE IT IS

 

Oh Margot this post deserves its own thread for further discussion and elaboration, not to be buried here.

 

Link please to the specific case and decision you are quoting.

Edit never mind I found the appeals court that reversed it anyway. https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/f...nstates-emoluments-clause-case-against-trump/

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In the New York case, the appellate judges ruled that the lower court judge, George B. Daniels, had dismissed the case too precipitously. By his standard, the judges said, no plaintiff would ever have the legal standing to sue the president for accepting financial benefits or emoluments from foreign governments without congressional approval.

They said Judge Daniels’s ruling was the equivalent of saying that “Congress alone shall have the authority to determine whether the president acts in violation of this clause” when in fact, the Constitution “says nothing like that.”

The judges also said Judge Daniels wrongly rejected as “wholly speculative” the plaintiffs’ complaint that they were losing business because state and foreign officials were switching to Trump-owned properties in hopes of winning the president’s favor.

“The district court demanded too much at the pleading stage,” the decision states. It was written by Pierre N. Leval, who was appointed by President Bill Clinton, and Christopher F. Droney, who was appointed by President Barack Obama. "

 

False. The decision to impeach was made long ago. It has become urgent to cover up the steaming pile of candidates that will run against him. Dems have put their eggs in several baskets, collusion, obstruction, quid pro quo and have only ended up with egg on their faces. Maybe you will get lucky this time.

 

Emoluments aren’t in the constituon?

 

He said clause not charge. It’s sad you guys have to constantly change what he said for it to make any ****ing sense

 

They are. Too bad Trump hasn't recieved any... the Dems got nothing....

 

Nope. As you know, there is no requirement for a vote to have an inquiry.

 

That's not what the House says on their website....which you are well aware of

 

Of course it is. You know perfectly well there is not a single word about a vote being necessary to have an inquiry.

 

Not true... Trump will get it when the House has organized it and written the articles based on it...

The defense doesn't get discovery the day somebody is indicted.... they get it during pre-trial...

 

When Trump goes to one of his golf courses all his secret service agents and entourage stays on his property at market prices.

 

Then why did he call it a fake clause?