How is a $15 federal minimum wage connected to Covid relief?

Not sure what that means.

 

It's not at all and one of Biden's stupid ideas about the economy. The cost of living varies widely across the country so why ONE minimum wage standard? And here at the time when the very industries who employ low wage workers, bars, entertainment, hotels, are hurting the most trying to bring back as many people as the can Biden just made it MORE expensive to do so. People will be laid off or hours cut.


And of course his relief plans will be race based with aid going to blacks first, white people have to wait.

 

Sure, and no one will take them..............it's called the free market. So make yourself a great employee, and dependable employee, an employee who places the success of the company high on their list and work well with management and fellow employees and PRODUCE and you can demand $15/hr OR MORE and the employer will be glad to pay it because your labor is worth it.

 

Well since there are about 100,000 people for every wealth person why would you expect them to be dying at the same numbers, we need to make sure more wealthy people die to make things even or something. But if that is your argument then lets raise it $30/hr. That will really improve the quality of their lives wouldn't it. How about we get the economy going again and expanding again and as happened under the Trump policies and we will see incomes increase and better jobs be created as opposed to Biden's last fiasco of trying to run the economy and order business what they should be doing.

 

If businesses have to pay burger flippers $15/hr., meet their new co-worrkers...



Flippy makes perfect burgers every time. He never calls in sick. He never shows up for work drunk or high. He doesn't spit in the food. He can't steal from you. He can't be rude to a customer...


Again, the best thing we can do for the poor is encourage them to learn a SKILL.

 

Tell me where a Person earning $15 an hour working a 40 hour week can have a normal decent existence in our country???

 

I am now semi-retired, but for most of my career, I served as a senior VP overseeing dozens of direct reports and teams numbering in the hundreds. I took very seriously my commitment to my people, their career development, and their overall wellbeing. The one thing I absolutely DRILLED into their heads was to make yourself irreplaceable. And if you didn't know how to do that, I would help you. I rode out multiple M&A, a dozen re-orgs, several rounds of layoffs, and ultimately a complete acquisition of my employer in multi-billion dollar cash deal by a massive foreign corporation. Through it all, I never lost a soul. Nobody is entitled to a damn thing -- you have to work for what you get. Or get replaced by flippy the burger-bot.

 

They can't. Which is why convincing them you are in their corner by throwing crumbs at them keeps them poor and dependent. If you care about the poor, you will encourage them to learn a SKILL which they can then sell to an employer at well-above market rate.

 

We NEVER have enough so called SKILL jobs to employ everyone. Amazing how critical grocery store shelf stockers became during Covid??? And many other supposedly low skilled jobs.

 

Yes, I would love to see people against minimum wages cite a historical context to their argument. It has been increased so many time, sometimes more than once or twice in a decade and there should be a historical argument citing the inflation caused by that action led to harmful inflation here, or massive job loss there. Its not a new thing and it should be easy to find a time frame where you can say oh look what happened when they raised it in year x, society collapsed remember.

 

I retired last year from 40 years of industrial sales and management. I try to tell people if you want to make a lot of money be a revenue producer. Go into sales, commissioned sales. Most go "Oh I couldn't do that I want a guarantied pay". In other words an expense to the company. Now that's fine if that is what they want to do but all the above as you said applies even more to someone in sales, if you do not make yourself valuable and motivated and willing to go the extra mile and yes take RISK you are gone quickly.

 

And instead of going out and learning how to design, produce, program and maintain robots many will just sit home and complain about not getting $15 an hour. If I was young and getting out of high school that's where I'd go going and the manufacturers and my state industrial development department have teamed together and can get training for free and the auto companies and steel companies and other manufactureres are BEGGING for people who can work on and maintain their automated systems.

 

Everybody wants a free ride. What are you good at? "Breathing." Great, you're hired!

 

If we have raised it so many times then why is there still poverty? Show me where it's worked. I would love to see you justify increasing the cost of employment at a time we desperately need to get people back to work and businesses expanding. What economic equation shows you that the best way to grow the economy and get people back to work is to drastically raise their cost of labor. In restaurants a third of their cost is labor, if you double that cost where does the restaurant get the money to just start paying it? What are they going to cut?

 

Because it shuts out many people from the workforce.

 

I never said there were not inflation consequences or that raising the minimum wage eliminated poverty. But you could at least answer my question instead of responding with one of your own. As you have already admitted you are retired(You lived through many raises in MW), you should be able to state a time when it was raised and we had severe negative consequences to that raise in the minimum wage, or argue how the inflation actually benefited you because in some ways it does.

 

Good one, haha.

 

No I oppose both. How did that escape you? I have been quite clear that I think a federal minimum wage is inappropriate.

 

$15.00 an hour isn’t putting anyone on easy street. people who are driven to seek higher education aren’t going to decline that for $15.00 and hour.


Still, college isn’t for everyone. We need people going into the trades as well.

 

Yep, being saying that all my life. Make yourself unique - be an expert in a process, or a field, that nobody else knows well, that kind of stuff always ensures you get your raise and keep your job (unless you become overly confident). Being an expert at something also earns you respect from coworkers. With this strategy you don’t need a union or a minimum wage.

 

And never tell them everything you know.

 

Fallacy. Min. wage jobs are supposed to be entry level. If you do not take the initiative to learn a skill that an employer will value, that's on YOU. And if you continually try to convince low-skill workers that they do not need to learn a skill so they can make more money but should instead DEMAND to be paid more than their labor is worth thus insuring that they will be poor for life, that is also on YOU.

 

Look if the Feds want employers to pay $15 per hour, let employers get reimbursed by the Feds.

 

There was no cure. What is difficult to understand. States lashed out later. They mandated full control over citizens. Look at the riots then going on. Burning and looting. The Feds do not exist to boss around employers.

 

that's Socialism!
let's do it now only crank it to $30hr!