How is a $15 federal minimum wage connected to Covid relief?

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My son is an excellent example. First he shoved grocery carts to the place for customers to pick one up;. Then he got hired by an electronics firm based on HS electronics courses. He was for a year limited to mixing chemicals. But he progressed up the ladder. He spent over 40 years working up the ladder and made himself rich. By working and not demanding.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is. And that is what Democrats work hard to get us to.
     
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    if you knew US History and it's future you'd be screaming MAGA BABY! instead of moping around dreaming of 4 more years of Hatething
     
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    Well $15 will help slow COVID because there will be fewer people employed. Only problem is that the electronics that replace them may have issues with different kinds of viruses.
     
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    dang, that's a lotta years of ladder work! didn't you clue him in on how to make $$ as a kid so he knew early success?
     
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    sure they do, businesses have no business paying people less then a min wage
     
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    totally agree, I think we may have crossed the point of no return
     
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    when half of America works for min wage that is not enough to live on, yes, that is what is keeping people poor, paying them less will not make them richer as you claim
     
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    Encouraging and helping them obtain a marketable skill -- believing in them -- will make them richer. Convincing them that they are entitled to earn more than their labor is worth because they are able to breathe involuntarily will keep them poor for life.
     
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    anyone that works 40 hours a week should be able to support themselves... period

    getting a better job gives you a better life, but all the basics should be obtainable for working 40 hours a week

    if you think they are not worth it, do it yourself, most think their labor is worth it
     
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    What you think "I think" is irrelevant. If you want to ignore economic reality, that is certainly your prerogative. However, your good intentions insure those at the bottom stay at the bottom.
     
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    Just the D's??
    Where have you been?

    $15 an hour is still low but it's a step in the right direction at least.
    Why are you against your fellow Americans earning a better wage?
     
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    Have you looked at the loser trumps and the GOP's spending?
    Always have to laugh at the right when they whine about spending, it's great when they do it but then it becomes the worst thing ever when a Democrat is in office.
     
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    So, the same old and worn out false play book then?
     
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    And yet twitter and facebook.......
     
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    Wow, did we just go back in time to 1982?
     
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    $15 an hour is hardly 'lower middle class'.
     
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    Do you think the law of supply and demand does not exist?

    Perhaps not flooding the country with cheap immigrant labor would raise wages.
     
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    Ouch! facts and reality.....the far right HATES those things!
     
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    That didn't take long.
     
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    News flash for you, most everyone working in the Safeway is already earning 15 or more an hour. Whats that do to your made up math?
     
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    The federal government has no business creating a federal one size fits all standard. We have state, county and city governments for a reason. It's their job to do things which the federal government t has nor authority to do.

    A federal minimum wage is a job killer for those trying to enter the workforce for the first time, but the left doesn't care about those people. They can always opt to enter the dependent class.
     
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    Where in the country is $15.00 a living wage? It's not. It's also nowhere close to middle class.

    Minimum wage workers are either those just entering the workforce for the first time or those supplementing a primary income. The big government left isn't concerned about those people.
     
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    I said nothing about inflation. You are the one making the claim it will be beneficial support YOUR claim. Yes I have lived through several minor increases to keep up with price inflation. I actually earned MW of $2.10 an hour in 1973. I did so for 90 days during my probationary period as a new employee. That was the ONLY time in my entire work history. I did earn less than that, $1.00 an hour, when I worked during school at the local drug store where I had my first lessons at being a valuable employee.

    But just so you do not have an excuse to have a two sided debate here.

    Seattle passed a $15 minimum wage law in 2014. Here’s how it’s turned out so far


    "When Seattle began raising its minimum wage five years ago, local burger joint Dick’s Drive-In experienced an unintended effect.
    Its employees opted to work fewer hours as their wages rose, a tall order in a tight labor market.

    “We thought with higher wages it would be easier to get people to take more hours, but it’s been the opposite,” said Jasmine Donovan, president of Dick’s. She added that the company has had to raise prices for the first time in its history because of the cost of labor alone, whereas in the past, food costs drove such hikes.....

    ...A 2017 University of Washington study found that while wages went up, hours worked declined, resulting in less pay for low-wage workers. "
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/02/sea...-in-2014-heres-how-its-turned-out-so-far.html

    So now your turn.

    If we have raised it so many times then why is there still poverty? Show me where it's worked. I would love to see you justify increasing the cost of employment at a time we desperately need to get people back to work and businesses expanding. What economic equation shows you that the best way to grow the economy and get people back to work is to drastically raise their cost of labor. In restaurants a third of their cost is labor, if you double that cost where does the restaurant get the money to just start paying it? What are they going to cut?
     
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    We had a 7,000,000 glut of open jobs before COVID hit with the lowest recorded unemployment. I called on a variety of manufacturing companies and their suppliers and they were BEGGING to get people in for good paying jobs. That is the reason middle and low income wages were RISING for the first time in a decade and the LFPR was increasing. They offer training. Drive by the auto companies and steel companies those big separate buildings out front are their training centers. Go by our several state technology parks and see the automation and robotics training centers where you can recieve your certifications for FREE.

    The "it's just too hard" excuse don't fly. If you are not willing to make your labor worth more than $7.50 an hour then you do not deserve $15.00 an hour.
     

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