I truly can understand why Republicans in Congress...

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  1. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    I quoted you first.
    You said totalitarian regimes, then tried to back peddle
     
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    You are in luck because I didn't say that. The constitution doesn't cover tariffs. I was talking about left wing media.

    I don't care what motivated youl

    Here are just two of many facts that show how different tariffs and taxes are. Tariffs help US businesses be more competitive in the world market, taxes make them less competitive. The cost of tariffs at the consumer level are optional while taxes are not. Consumers have the option not buy what they think carries tariffs. Tariffs are not taxes nor are they anything like taxes.

    What?
     
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    Do you feel the massive and ignored deficit that is being ignored — and has been credited by many economists as why we have any economic growth currently — will be an issue for your grandchildren?
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We? You and the mouse in your pocket?

    My point is that along with being a miserable president...Trump sucks as a human being.

    I mean...really sucks!

    Thanks for asking.
     
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    Yes, it does. Tariffs are taxes. The Constitution covers taxes. How did you miss that?

    Then why did you make a false claim about what motivated me?

    I'll stop you right there, because you are already wrong. Tariffs ARE taxes. They are. That's what they are. I'm not going to ignore reality just to give your politics a boost. Tariffs are taxes.

    More economically ignorant nonsense. Tariffs ARE taxes. They reduce the competitiveness of any US business that in any way uses imports.

    Why are you rushing to change the subject to "the consumer level." I was talking about the business level. And you are still wrong. Tariffs increase costs on businesses whether they take the "option" of the tariffs or not.

    See above.

    As adorable as it is completely incorrect. Tariffs are taxes on importers. If you are going to talk about tariffs, please at least learn what they are. This shouldn't be too much to ask.

    What wasn't clear?
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay, but I think you did a lousy job of replying.

    I did not back peddle. I asked you a question.

    If the "China" comment was meant to ask me if China fits into my comment, “Totalitarian regimes DO NOT disagree with Trump. They love him. He is giving them what they have craved for decades...acceptance from the United States.”…


    …my response would be: In a tangential way, YES.

    I think the Chinese government, like the Russian government and North Korean government…are DELIGHTED that the United States has an abomination like Donald Trump at its helm. I think they realize that Trump is destroying America in a way they couldn't ever hope to achieve.

    Too bad some Americans cannot figure that out.


    Okay.
     
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    China was pretty pleased with us pulling out of the TPP, in the very least.
     
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    The people who did NOT vote for the Choom gang leader.
    Your personal opinion means diddly squat.
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    If you take enough left turns you end up right back where you started
     
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    Tariffs are not taxes, you have a choice not to buy.
     
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    I wish I didn't have to ask: but you realize that right turns work exactly the same way . . . right?
     
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    Indirect v direct taxation
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh...you speak for them.


    Not to me.
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Uh,......yes?
     
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    Tariffs are taxes. By definition. I don't want to embarrass you by quoting basic definitions, but I guess I will if I have to. Also, the fact that you have a choice not to by does not make it no longer a tax . . . otherwise you would be admitting to being so ignorant as to believe that sales taxes aren't taxes. You seriously going to take that route? Really? Turns out, back here in reality, that both sales taxes and tariffs are taxes. Because, despite what the Trump cult may want, words actually have meanings.

    And in a tariff situation, even the choice not to buy carries additional costs. Is it a mandate that all Trump supporters ignore the basics of economics like their Dear Leader or is that an optional thing?
     
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    Embarrasses whom, to run around saying tariffs are direct taxes is illogical
     
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    Tariffs are taxes. Words have meaning. I'm sorry you disagree, but scrambling to shift the goalposts now that you realize you were wrong won't save you. Try looking up what the word "tariff" means. It isn't that complicated. I'm sorry if it makes the God Emperor look bad, but it remains the truth.
     
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    Did or did not one Barack Obama attend the Million Man
    March in Washington D.C..? How about the recent discovery in the last 6-8
    months of a Photo seen alongside Calypso Louie Farrakhan with a
    huge smile.Because that photo and Any Other such photo with
    Louis Farrakhan was never to be made public.Like the secret phone
    calls between Obama and Rahm Emanuel discussing who should
    fill Obama vacant senate seat.The Governor { Rod Blagojevich } was
    framed and forced to be the Fall Guy for what Obama and his Chief of staff
    pulled.With the help of a corrupt Chicago Prosecutor { Fitzgerald }.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama was articulate as far as being a huge disciple of Saul
    Alinsky { Rules for Radicals } or his Mentor { Derrick Bell }
    and Critical Race Theory.
     
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    It’s fairly obvious the Republican Party is as corrupt as Trump therefore they’re not covering for Trump but rather for themselves.

    Read the call logs recently released and you’ll find our House Republican garbage littered through them: involved in the Ukraine mess. Worse, one sat through the hearings knowing they were involved vomiting ridiculous BS.
     
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    More made up BS from an angry lefty.
     
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    Once again we have to pay taxes but not have to pay tariffs.. we have options.


    Jesus I went into the store the other day to buy new clothes, I looked at the cheap wranglers from china or the carhartt made in America I paid $50 bucks more..
     
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    Tariffs are taxes on imports. That's the definition. Not liking it won't make it go away. Being avoidable in some way doesn't maaaaaagically make it no longer a tax. What part of this isn't sinking in? Do I seriously have explain what a tax is? Really?
     
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    Carhartt are only good for stuff like cleaning out the garage or
    changing the oil on the car.Yet Billie Bobs wear Carhartt everywhere.
    From Funerals to Weddings to the best restaurants in town.
    Carhartt are for Billie Bobs.I Gar-own-tee you won't see professional
    athlete's or even half ass businessmen put on Carhartt stuff.Even to
    go duck hunting.Even guys like Dan Conner of - Roseanne - fame knew
    enough to avoid Carhartt.They may last long but are stiff and like
    decorating one's dining room with stuff like Rebel Flag portraits and
    faux oil lamps.
     
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    Don't comprehend, carhartt I even seen a girl wear it the other day, it made her cute as heck
     

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