I want to create a large private city in middle america that can outright ban guns.

Interesting, so if you walk into my property with a weapon, I can’t in any way stop you from doing so?

 

I wonder whether a "private city" could have the same legal standing as a corporate building, where guns can easily be banned from the premises as a company rule. Come to think of it, even government buildings go against the Second Amendment in this way.

Would such an arrangement be possible, I wonder?

 

How?

 

By requiring all who want to live in the city to sign an arbitration document stating that they see this government as legidiment and that they agree to the government being allowed to enforce its laws with in its jurisdiction.

 

per the 11th amendment you actually have to live in the area that you want to sew for it to be valid

 

Again, how?

 

You never sign away your right to go to court, but by signing an arbitration agreement, you make it quite difficult to seek remedy if you disagree with the findings of the arbitrator. You would have to prove you signed under duress, there was fraud, etc..

What the Supreme Court did was rule on the issue of employers and class action suits brought by employees:

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/05/21/489949.htm

The ruling builds on previous Supreme Court decisions that let companies channel disputes with consumers and other businesses into arbitration. The latest decision applies directly to wage-and-hour claims, and its reasoning might let employers avoid class action job-discrimination suits as well.​

 

um what do you mean? By making it a requirement. They don't sign they can't come in simple.

 

You understand that not committing crimes is already a requirement. And yet crime still happens. Are to seriously trying to say that just because you make someone sign a piece of paper then poof, crime will disappear? And what will you do if someone is already in and commits a crime? What do you do then?

 

Hmmm. That's an interesting question. I suppose you could demand they surrender their weapon while on your property, or don't enter with it. I don't believe that would violate their rights. Public Safety laws being what they are.

I'd have to look deeper into that. I bet there has been some case law established on that.

However, if such person presents themselves as a threat, and they have a gun in their hand, you could blast them. Just make sure you have witnesses.

 

Then they get arrested and jailed

 

Maybe. But what if the person wants to live there, but is not being allowed in because of their desire to own a gun.

They could claim they are being discriminated against and their Constitutional Rights are being violated. It only takes one to bring down the house of cards.

 

So are the police going to have guns? I don't know if you realize this, but in the U.S. policemen commit more violent crimes per capita than do citizens with concealed carry permits. So you will allow policemen to be armed, yet not let people with a lower average crime rate be armed? It's your "utopia" do what you want, but it makes little sense.

 

HOW?

 

What I really love about this thread is that it shows how the progressives in this society are real totalitarians. They want government to control almost everything.

 

I've never heard that they do. If you have a private establishment my understanding is you are well within your rights to forbid guns in it. If you are a guest within my home you will leave your firearms outside or you will be treated as an illegal trespasser and that is well within my rights as a property owner

This thread is silly. Cities arise and grow in certain areas for a multiplicity of reasons, none of which have anything to do with who has what weapons within them.. A city where NOBODY, criminals, residents or cops, had guns would be a very pleasant place in many ways, as is evidenced by the several cities in the world where that exact situation obtains, you need to study them instead of making up new places

 

No Problem, build it and they will come.

Lol. Or not.


Do the Amish have guns?
Not particularly.

So it is perfectly possible to build and live in gun free communities in the USA.

 

Or that we don't like seeing people 91 americans killed and 270 injured each day due to guns. You know colleges in Europe have stopped letting students go to america because of the treat of death by guns/police?

 

I wonder how they do that. Lock them up and take away their passports?

I will have to pass on your utopia. I don't even like gated communities.

 

They do it by just not having the US as an option for international studies. Sure they can go during the summer but not as an official school sponsor.

 

your numbers are wrong.

 

91X365 33,215 oops its actually 229 but still very high. The CDC said that 117,000 people are shot and about 33,000 are killed leaving over 80,000 injured.

 

please post a citation.

 

You already have private property rights. Have Soros or Bezos or whoever buy the land and build the city. Good luck finding people who will work and pay rent in your gun free Eutopia. The only reason the Amish can do it is because of lack of outside influences, a common religion and strict moral code.

 

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...eople-get-shot-every-year-facebook-post-says/