If killing your baby was acceptable, would more women do it?

The fact is you attacked me...me the person, that is against the rules and you know it. Hey honey...you can do whatever you wish, but there are rules on here that I am reminded of every once in a while. You broke the rules....and you know it. But you do this all the time...to others as well. Why you have never been put on the time out chair I will never know. You just have friends in high places on here that give you a free pass every time you are reported.

So wow..you talk to Shiva about me eh? LOL Gotcha

It is about me when I comment on my personal experience with abortion. None of you have it.....or do you? Or are some lying because they see the treatment abortive women get and are afraid?
You do whatever you want...ignore me...block me...I am not changing. I think you like to run from the issues and the questions I ask...thats what I think.

 

Fugazi said,

Like what? Mention them and I will respond. I support anything that makes abortion harder to get...that limits it and exposed it for what it is.

Absolutely yes. It is my right as an American citizen.

Yes. I tell women what I think, the truth about abortion and what it does, not only physical but especially mentally. I show them pictures...and videos of ultrasounds. I don't bring religion up...don't need too unless they bring it up. If they do...I show them scriptures about life. Am I biased...absolutely as is everyone else. Science is clear on the truth....and if someone has a faith in God...they need to be reminded of what the scriptures say about this.
I can sit and try to persuade....till the cows come home...but I am not forcing any woman to do anything. She is the one who makes the appointment, it is her body remember, her choice. (well you take that choice away from her if your anti-late term abortion, right?) I am not forcing anything on her...but the facts as I see it.

What do you think the presidential debates are done for? Do you think they are done to persuade people to vote one way? Should they not be allowed? Are those debating trying to FORCE their views on people?

Your way off on this....way way way off. I have the right to try to change minds, to persuade

Oh I know that. Nothing will change...that we will ever see or hear on this forum. People might see however and not admit they have changed their minds. That is a possibility, right?
As I said...I have the right to speak my mind. You don't think I have that right just by the questions you ask me.

You said this, " if you do any of these then you are actively trying to force your opinions onto others."

You are telling me I don't have the right to do this. But I do...that is what you don't get.

I couldn't hold a political office and would never run for one. I could and would not play by the political rules. Today if you hold an office..your the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) of the state...your hands are tied, your mouth covered because you can't profess any faith and act on that faith. No one who did this the way God commands could ever get into office.

You have to kiss to many fannies to get into office today. You have to make promises and compromise your ideals...in order to get elected. Today you never know what your going to get. How do you think it made the people feel who voted for Obama who said that he believed against same sex marriage and then changed his position? He lied..to all the voters who might have voted for him because of this. He changed positions, why? Well I doubt it was religious...because it says contrary in the scriptures...if anything he went against his faith on this. What he did was to bow down to society for votes. That is exactly what happened. And it happens with Republicans too. McCain..I can't stand him....or his wife...who soon after his defeat admitted she was for same sex marriage. I am sure McCain also is for same sex marriage but is lying to get the votes he needs from his party. Laura Bush did the same thing. Admitted she was for same sex marriage after George was out of office. Hypocrites bowing down to society and lying...to get something. I could never compromise my faith in God to do this. I would say all politicians do this, but I cant...but I would think 99% do it. They play the game...its not me.

Yes you did and I do the same thing as well....as I am reminded my the mods quite often. This is an emotional subject for me...one I am passionate about. Would I love to have the rules lifted to really let people have it? Yes at times you better believe it. But I guess I am glad there are boundaries..which I try my best to follow. Things should be fair on here however...no one should get a free pass...and I think that happens, sorry.

I see what you mean...but you don't see that ...by not allowing women the rights to their bodies (and you take this right away)....YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING, YOU SAY I HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO. You say you fight for womens choice...but you don't...not if you take any choice away. Why can't you see this?

I don't get this statement....."A position that it not human?" Could you reword this one?

But you don't get this.....darn it. I don't condemn women who have had abortions. Why would I do that...I had one? I work with women who have had abortions for crying out loud. We talk, we cry...we debate the issues. The facts remain however no matter how hard a woman wants to hide from them...an abortion kills a life. It kills. I killed my baby. For you it might be fetus...blob of tissue...who knows....the fact is the same. A life...was killed.
When I talk to anyone I can't hide the truth...the truth exposes abortion in a bad light. Why don't you think most pro-aborts want to use the term, kill? You used the term aborted. Can you at least be honest and use the term that actually describes the act?

You did. You brought up my mental condition. This is not a position. Oh please....don't make me laugh. You show sympathy for me? LMAO You are not showing sympathy to a group of pro-lifers...but to me...you said so yourself. I don't want or need sympathy, believe it or not...God has already dealt with me. Show sympathy to the unborn...the ones being slaughtered...they need it, I don't. Did you attack me....you sure did.

Ya know what....I am not liked here...there are more pro-aborts than those that are lifers. I am reported all the time....I am a pro-life fish swimming upstream against a sea of pro-aborts here....who report me all the time. So what am I to do, you tell me?

The rules are the rules...it should be fair...but I have many many many more watchin what I post as far as breaking the rules as people looking at what you do. So don't even go there.

Your position on late term..is hypocritical based on the reason why you say you want abortion legal. Its either the woman's body or its not. You are saying both.
She gets to decide....but then she loses control. This is hypocrisy.

You have no idea what normal is...If normal is killing unborn children...I don't want your normal. Let me run from your sense of normal.
The thing is you thing by making late term abortion illegal...your saving face...you wont look so bad. You can think more highly of yourself. Well if this does the job than by all means do it. But your not hiding the hyprocrisy of what you promote. The woman either owns her body outright or does not. You are saying both...can't be both.

The truth should be the only option. I do not believe you know what that truth is and that is sad.

I don't believe in polls..sorry. You can speak for the entire nation dont try. And ya know...the entire South thought slavery was ok. Because the majority think one what...thats ok? Can the majority be wrong?

Your personal take on this....I can't address. But I believe that the position of the pro-choice/abort stance is hypocritical, if they deny any woman the right to her body. The pro-abort position held my the majority as you have said....is hypocritical.

And I know you know this is true...you just won't admit it.

As I said......science has changed..and long ago viability was much higher. You either believe a woman has a right to her own body to make her own decisions or you dont. YOU DON'T.
Why don't you admit that? YOU ARE DOING WHAT YOU SAY I DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO. You are telling women based on your own bias...they lose the right to choose. Why should science matter? You dismiss what evidence science says in earlier terms...yet you depend on it in later term to defend your position. What science shows is that from conception....its a human life.

WE are talking about womens rights...the forefront of the pro-choice position. Come on.....its her right to her body. Or isnt it? ARE you going to say.....the woman has no right to her body after 21 weeks? In many hospitals its 24 weeks. So is your estimation here wrong. Where do you come up with 21 weeks?
And wait....viablity after 21 weeks is according to this chart...less than 17%....

http://miscarriage.about.com/od/pregnancyafterloss/a/prematurebirth.htm

You are one that if everyone did it...its right, moral. So if you were in a group of people that though child porn was ok.....it would be ok. LOL

 

When I post something inappropriate they hide the comment. I don't have friends in high places, most of the time I just share my thoughts, opinions and evidence.

No, I saw how he appropriately responded to one of your inane posts and it was an excellent way to respond to someone who wants to make the subject all about themselves.

 

Pasithea said,

And do they give you an infraction point pasithea? I bet not.

You make my point. And you are wrong..and you are wrong, he attacked me, the person. Your position is so blind....can't see.

The subject is about living human children and the fact that YOUR SIDE represents killing them. YOU DON'T SEE THEM. THEY DON'T EXIST.

 

Do YOU see them?

 

List of 10 currently awaiting

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/subjects/abortion/5897

During this do you also tell her the other side?

To persuade yes, to make people feel guilty about something no.

and have I ever tried to stop you speaking your mind, have I ever tried to take away your rights, yet this is what you advocate for all women throughout the US.
There is a difference in the UK, I cannot call someone a murderer without any proof to the fact, it would seem that in the US you can call anyone what you want whenever you want without the burden of proof.

Standing on the edge of the conflict and shouting will change nothing, you want change then you have to become part of the process of change.

Then as much as we disagree on abortion, I will endeavor to not over-step.

Because I am not at the extreme radical end of either side of the debate, I hope I represent the majority viewpoint .. something that I personally hope will help women and reduce abortions.

Should be "A position that it is not human?"

I am under no illusions that abortion kills a fetus (specifically late term), never have been .. but when pro-lifers say murder then that is a different thing all together.

Well that is a decision for the MODS interpretation of my comment, and as already stated what ever they decide I will abide with.
Whether you want sympathy isn't really relevant is it, just as whether I want your to pray for me (which you have said before) isn't relevant either.
I do have a lot of sympathy for the unborn, as I do for the women faced with the decision they make . .You see I have been in the position of having a young single woman asking for advice on whether an abortion was the right decision for her, after a very very long chat it ended with me saying to her that in the end the only person who can make the decision is her and she should do so without feeling pressure from anybody else, whether to keep it or not. I gave her all the information I had, including adoption, including all the facts about abortion.

I rarely, if ever report people .. I understand that if you are going to be part of a forum such as this you have to become thick skinned, running to the MODS doesn't achieve a single thing as far as the debate is concerned.

Oh I have my own fair share of "followers" who report me at a drop of a hat .. but that is their problem not mine.

Depends on how you look at it, I believe that pre 21 weeks there is no viable life involved, after that then there is .. if you like this is my point that the choice involves two and not one.

My position is entirely normal in the context of the majority of people.
It's irrelevant whether I look bad or not, other peoples opinions of me mean nothing, the people who really know me are the only ones whose opinions about me matter.
I am merely a very small cog in the machine, I am content with my position it does not make me feel more highly of myself, it is a position I am happy with just as you are with yours.
As I have said before there are laws that allow a freedom of choice to a point, beyond that point the choice can, and is, removed, so in effect it can be both.

You may believe that, however in practice it rarely happens.

For them at that time then yes it was OK, however that majority changed to one of slavery not being ok, why do you think you had a civil war? That is what a democracy is all about . .the rule of the majority ..

There is a varied number of positions within pro-choice, just as there is within pro-life, to pigeon hole either does an injustice to both.

I am telling women nothing of a kind, everything I put up here is my own personal opinion based on my own research .. and I have never "dismissed" anything scientific regardless of what part of the term it deals with .. I have, and will continue to do so, refute evidence put forward by pro-lifers, just as they have done the same for evidence I have put forward .. that is the nature of debate.
I have never dismissed that from conception it is part of the human species and alive .. never.

to bring the debate down to just a single issue is just plain wrong to me, there are a number of issues involved . the woman's right is certainly a very large part of it, but there are others as well .. its like saying that if you shoot someone its murder and that is it.
No I'm not saying the woman has no right to her body after 21 weeks, I am saying that IMO due to chance of the fetus surviving after that point then it should be accorded certain rights as well.
I come to my figure based simply on the fact that we have premature births of 21 weeks (& 5 days) that survive, to me the point that the fetus attains rights should always be the lowest limit of the possibility of survival outside of the womb, whether it is 17% or 1% is irrelevant, prior to 21 weeks (at this moment in time) its percentage of survival is 0%.

nothing to do with morals, morals are inconsistent and pretty much based on the society we are born into and IMO should have absolutely nothing to do with making law .. I feel the same way about religion as well.
The difference is that the majority feel child porn is wrong, hence why it is illegal .. if, and that is a very big if, the majority decided it was not wrong then the chances are it would become legal, and that is a purely analytical view with no emotional bias. Abortion has the backing of the majority, child porn does not.

 

I don't know. I didn't know they had infraction points. I didn't realize we were all little children being graded by teachers in this little political classroom. We are all adults here doing our best to follow the rules, although some people like to say nasty and mean things thus flamebaiting others to respond in a similar fashion.

Vitriol begets vitriol. I won't deny it, I am most certainly guilty of biting the flamebait you post from time to time and I know you are guilty of the same. We are not perfect and we both have had some of our posts hidden for our behavior, we get mad and the arguments become very personal and very angry, especially when we have such opposing views, like the complete opposite of the spectrum here.

Shiva has never attacked you personally. In fact his responses to you are very generalized in nature. He never, ever refers directly to you or about you. He refers to the general number of women who regret their abortions, which is appropriate since you are not the only one in the world who has had one. There is more than one abortion experience and there is more than one kind of feeling about it.

 

Then you don't observe much. Because if you violate the rules ya get points. And have you watched every post Shiva has ever posted regarding me to know what you say to be true? EVery post he has made? LOL ARe you a stalker or what?
He makes statements he can't possibly prove, especially when he has no clue first hand about this topic. None of you have ever worked in this field or had an abortion. I have talked to thousands and thousands of women....about this. I am not making this out to just be about me...I am telling you and stating my history and why I feel I know better what women feel about abortion than you people do. I know personally Janet Folger...have talked personally to Mark Crutcher and Lila Rose...at conventions and lectures. This is their life work....they know.


So you can pretend all you want....but you just don't know.

 

Maybe we should remember that discussing other posters is against da rules.


And, no matter how many people you CLAIM to have spoken to, it doesn't mean you're right.

No one NEEDS to have had an abortion to have an opinion on it ....or are you claiming Mark crutcher had an abortion so you value his opinion???

 

Fugazi said,

The other side? You mean the scientific side....that says that from conception the life in the womb is a living human being? Yes. I present the truth about abortion. That it is an easy fix to a problem...but that they can never be sure if it will come back to haunt them. That two wrongs never make a right. That ...the sense of relief they might feel after the abortion....MIGHT turn into something dark and depressing. That the truth is the truth and will never change. Abortion kills a living human being.

Not so. It's not bad to make people feel guilty sometimes. There might never be change if people never felt guilty.

Oh you would love to take away pro-lifers rights to speak out. You would love if all of us would go away. I believe every woman has the right to speak out but that does not mean I believe what they say should be law.

Oh please...I am not going over what I am doing personally...you don't listen and you don't comprehend. I WORK IN THIS FIELD. See this is the way it is here. We have people here debating on this forum...who don't know. You guys are on the outside...and your guessing based on pro-abort propaganda what really is happening on the inside. How many of you have actually physically been at a pro-life rally? How many of you have been to a PP to protest of just to do down near one to see what happens first hand? How many of you have been on a march? How many of you have been to a conference? Been undercover to see what is going on?
Your guessers....you think all pro-lifers do at PP clinics is to yell. Not so. We usually pray...and hand out literature, that is if they come close enough to us for us to hand it out. We have to stand back so far...and can't go on the property. So we can't run up to cars and plead with the women going in. You people don't know...you guess, you assume. Ever gone to a college campus and talked to the students about abortion? If there is opposition and shouting...its from your side...those what want us to go away. Especially when your standing next to the big pictures of aborted fetuses...on college campuses. Our pictures speak for themselves...we don't have to yell...we don't have to say a word....and we usually don't. We are trained not to yell. Yelling does no good but to make someone look out of control.

Over step? What do you mean? About my passion? I am passionate on a different level than those here debating it. I can't help at times (when people are making insane remarks over how all women feel about abortion) making it personal...since I know how it feels and they don't. There is no possible way someone can make the statement....the majority of women only feel relief over their abortions. They can't make this statement. It is like saying...there is no god. It can't be proven....not even if a poll was taken of all women in the country. This subject is passionate and personal for me on a different level than anyone else here.

The majority? How do you know what the majority feels, says? We don't even based on stats...have enough women here like me representing abortion on a personal level., Where are they? Don't they want to admit it? talk about it? So we will never know what the majority think...because the majority might not come forth and admit they had one. Our nation has never been asked to vote on abortion. Judges made the law...the people didn't.
How do you know the majority want to reduce abortion? Is there something wrong with abortion? If so...why don't you work to change the law? You are pro-abortion, you want no protections for the unborn.

WEll if its a living human being that has protection...then what is it called when you kill a living human being without its consent? Is abortion premeditated? Yes.

You attacked my person...not my position. You should at least admit it.

Why would I want sympathy from any of you? I don't. And I pray for all those collectively who champion abortion.

No you don't. You don't want protection for the unborn...you want abortion legal. And legal means unborn babies are aborted....they are killed. How does your position show any sympathy for the unborn? You are biased and you probably never said......hey if you abort you are killing your living unborn child. You probably used user friendly terms...terminate etc.

I never did either until I started to get reported all the time. I can see its a double standard here.

Before 21 weeks...after 21 weeks...one thing is true....the life in the womb is human and alive. There are always two lives...the mother, the child. After an abortion there is only one life..the mother. The child was killed. Viability should not matter, life should.

You can't make this statement you cant prove what normal or what the majority think or feel or want. You are trying desparately to convince yourself your position aligns with others...so you won't be alone in believing you want children slaughtered in the womb.

To a point. Yes...we all know the hypocrisy of our laws. Its a womans body, she owns it....WAIT.....until she loses it in later months. then our government can tell her what she can do with it. LOL

So slavery was ok at one time? Or was it allowed but always wrong? See the truth for you can change. RApe could be allowed one day, if the majority think its ok, right?

Not in my book. You either want protection for the unborn or you dont. There is hypocrisy on your side about late term abortion based on the ownership of the womans body.

You dismiss the childs life in the womb by wanting abortion legal.

You say the woman owns her body...if she does...she can't loose the right to it. And that is the hypocrisy of your position. The minute the unborn in the womb started looking more human....more like a baby....viability matters...and then you strip the rights of the woman away.

Ya make numbers up in your head...and for all of you who champion abortion this number is different.

No morals shouldn't be. Rape should always be wrong as is murder....or child abuse. Are you saying if in 100 years rape is looked at as acceptable that is ok? That is why your position is so sad. You don't believe in absolute truth. So for you...rape and child abuse....and pedopelia...could all one day be acceptable if society says its ok.

But what if the major say its ok? You have no idea how the country would vote....why can't you just admit it.

 

Did Mark Crutcher have an abortion or not?

 

I honestly do not care about this. We're not little children that need to worry about whether or not we're getting our gold stars.

Why do you always make such irrational and stupid conclusions? I skim through the posts on these threads and have read the responses and conversations. I came across one post where you and Shiva were having a discussion and as usual you were going, "Me me me MY feelings you're all WRONG" and he responded in a generalized way and never once said, "Well YOU". I was just pointing out that that is the most appropriate way to respond to people who want to make the issue all about their (questionable) one experience.

Actually he is always posting the rulings from Roe vs Wade and I have never ONCE seen any pro-lifer take the ruling down piece by piece and try to debunk it. Not ONCE.

Unprovable, anecdotal bunk. I wouldn't take your word for anything if my life depended upon it.

And you can sit here and pretend all you want but you don't know either. For all we know you're lying about everything you have ever done, including had an abortion. We have absolutely no proof of it unless you want to post your medical records.

 

No he did not...but he has at least worked in the field long enough to know what goes on. He can't begin to speak for how women feel...but am sure he has talked to enough that he can pretty much get a good idea. How many have you talked too? How many books have you written? Movies produced?

And he would not be stupid enough I know to make a statement so general that he could not prove it.

 

I might not know everything but this subject I do know...you pretend, you assume and you guess.


And ya know what....if I posted my medical records you would say my medical records were wrong. LOL It would not matter what I posted or anyother pro-lifer for that matter....that you and group would take seriously.

I could care less what you believe...and the beliefs you share on here,I want nothing to do with. Our worldviews are opposite as is our positions on most moral issues. We are nothing alike, nothing. We have nothing in common and in real life I would never be drawn to someone who displayed a worldview like your position defends.
Never.
if you think I am lying I don't care...but you won't silence me. You can keep on pretending...but anyone who has worked in the field could pick you out easy.

 

LOL! So even if a person doesn't have an abortion (YOUR requisite for commenting) ,as long as they agree with you , it's OK....got it...

 

Thats part of it, but also the option of an abortion .. do you tell them that, do you tell them that they MIGHT suffer from postpartum psychosis after the birth a condition that can re-occur many times for them in the future even if they don't have any more children, do you tell the poor ones how they will struggle to raise the child.

So you would make a woman feel guilty about her choice, even though she is probably already feeling guilty over being pregnant .. great counciling!

Actually I think the opposite, the radical parts of pro-life do more to enhance the pro-choice position than most other things. I think you guys/gals should be able to go on TV and spout this stuff, i reckon the pro-choice majority would double overnight.

but you do beleive what you say should be law.

I'm not talking about some march, I'm talking about getting involved where the decisions are really made.
You call me out for making claims about others and then you assume to know what I do or don't do, you call me a guesser with absolutly no knowlege of my level of involvement in this issue.
Another example of do as I say not as I do

No about your personal circumstances.
You nailed it .. it is personal and a passionate subject for YOU, yet you don't even stop to think that other woman who have had abortions are not as passionate as you .. and despite your refusal to accept personal statements from woman that state the only thing they felt was relief after the abortion, they are there for all to see. whatever your personal feelings they are but the feelings of one person here, you cannot speak for others anymore than I can, but I can post the comments of those people.

we do know what the majority feel, simply because abortion has not been made illegal, you get to vote for change every four years why is it that no pro-life person has ever held a position that would enable them to change the law .. despite the pro-life Republican party having been in power and control the senate NO majors changes have been made to Roe vs Wade.
I work to reduce abortions by promoting better sex education, better contraception, better access to adoption .. not by trying to introduce draconian laws that can never be upheld.

Here is where we go round in circles, you as yet have not shown any proof that a fetus prior to 21 weeks is an indpendent sentient person .. until you do then your use of the word murder is simply not correct no matter how much you wish it to be.

If that were the case I would admit it.

you probably don't, doesn't stop people feeling it though, and as I don't believe in your god your prays are wasted for me.

and you are not biased I suppose?
i have already stated that I tell the woman all her options and I would have thought you would have realised I am not one to pull punches .. but in the end the decision is hers, I don't want to remove that decision from her.

Of course viability matters, just not to you .. and lets be honest here the life only matters to you while it is in womb, once its born you really couldn't care less could you.

i can and all the evidence shows that my position aligns with the majority of people. You may deny the evidence all you wish all it does is help the pro-choice cause.

You may see it as hypocrisy, most see it as a balance.

For those living in that time period it was perfectly ok and as I can't foretell the future I have no idea if rape will ever be allowed .. I certainly hope not.

Then I would suggest you read another book

For starters there is no "child"
It has nothing to do with how the fetus looks that is irrelevant to me, viabilty matters as that is the point when the fetus has at least a chance of living outside of the womb.

Sigh .. none of the numbers are made up, the 17% is the number you posted not me, and can you find a fetus that has survived below 21 weeks . .if you can i'd like to see the link to it.

There is no such thing as absolute truth, the truth is flexible depending on which side of the fence you stand, and again i will repeat i cannot tell the future so i have no idea what could be regarded as accetable in 100 years,neither do you.

Admit what, that I don't know how people would vote, of course i don't, just as those a few hundred years ago didn't know that in the future people would vote against slavery or those in the 1700 didn't know that the UK would vote to become part of the European Union in 1976 .. no one can ever know how the world will change in the future, what we can do is make educated guesses as to what may, or may not, occur .. my educated guess is that abortion will not become illegal.

 

And you never assume or guess anything? Just like you always assume and guess that we LOVE abortion and we LOVE when fetuses die?

So long as you continue to claim you had an abortion I will ask for proof. So either put up or shut up, because as far as we're concerned your anecdotal evidence means nothing when it comes to the facts.

Why are you bringing this up? What? You think I wanna be friends or something? I don't ever want to be friends with any obsessive control freaks. PASS!

And you can keep lying about having had an abortion. Either prove it or stop making the claim.

 

My god, you pro death liberal people would have us all believe that any and all births are to be shunned because living in this cruel world has too many pitfalls to take a chance at surviving the inevitable onslaught. I'm surprised that you and your ilk haven't already decided to take the easy way out. Life's a biitch...ain't it?

 

you really are not very good at putting words into other peoples mouths are you, keep trying .. practice makes perfect.
If you had bothered to read the exchange of comments all the way through you would have seen that this little snippet is dealing with something entirely different from your garbage .. but hey don't let that spoil your vomit of nothingness.

 

My god, you Anti-Women people would have us all believe that any and all abortions end up with crazy women running amok.

I'm surprised that you and your ilk haven't already decided to take the easy way out considering you think abortion has lead to the downfall of the world and vast moral corruption..


Abortion is still legal....Life's a biitch...ain't it

 

Well I personally don't see them running amok, but they are not exactly firing on on cylinders.

They engage in sexual activity which is well known to cause pregnancy, they get pregnant, then they think someone else should have to pay for the child which is created, and then when they realize life could be a little difficult and that they might even have stretch marks(Oh my!)....

...the smartest thing they can come up with is to kill their child?

Sorry, not impressive mental caliber. Not in the slightest.

 

If they're that dim, maybe they should be sterilized to stop any more of their stupidity genes from propagating on. And they're obviously incapable of making responsible reproductive decisions which will effect their children.

 

You're right my man, its all in your avatar....compulsory sterilization! Tax payers who are funding these horrific abortions should demand nothing less. Now that would would be a rally that I would personally attend down in D.C.

 

I'm down with that, and it would reduce the welfare queens as well. I am totally cool with compulsory sterilization for those who get abortions that are elective.

Hell, I wonder why they aren't demanding it themselves to be honest. Or do they really get a kick out of the procedure so much they go back in for a second and third helping? Makes no sense.

 

Pasithea said,

Yes I do ....and so do you. Ok, if you don't love abortion, then why do you hate it?

So what do you want to know? How do I prove it? I had it over twenty eight years ago in Michigan, in Detroit on Gratiot Avenue. I now live in Arizona. The place I got it at is no longer there. Honey if you operated on the facts...this entire site would be closed...because every one here could be lying about who they are...you included.
And ya know if I had proof as far as some medical form or something....do you think I would trust any personall information with YOU...of all people? You might be a serial killer. You might be a pedophile chained with a ankle strap. In fact you could be in prison on some computer there. One would have to be completely nuts to expose any personal information with people on the internet. But I bet you would love personal info wouldnt you? LOL Ya you would probably no doubt...make good use with someones personal info. Yea, right.

I said....."I could care less what you believe...and the beliefs you share on here,I want nothing to do with. Our worldviews are opposite as is our positions on most moral issues. We are nothing alike, nothing. We have nothing in common and in real life I would never be drawn to someone who displayed a worldview like your position defends.
Never."

And you think I implied that I would want someone with your position as a friend? LMAO

ARe you threatening me? BEcause it sounds like it. Again you attack me....."obsessive control freak."

Who am I controlling? Who? Am I controlling you? Abortion is legal...who am I controlling there? Who else am I controlling on this forum? Certainly not the mods. LOL
So who am I controlling? Put up or shut up....right, is that what you said?
Which I take as a threat....and I don't appreciate that. I wonder if the mods do?

I am here on this debate site speaking and sharing experiences and the facts about abortions. The fact that you would make a post like this shows that you are the one who is controlling. You want me to shut up...go away. What you ask is impossible and as I said if it were..you would be the last person I would share sensitive information with. Who knows who you are or what you would do with it.

Why don't you share all your medical information...your identity....?