Is Donald Trump any different from any other president before him?

These "new" racists had been there all along, they'd just never voted before. Trump gave them one of their own to vote for. Anyone who had voted for Obama before either voted for Hillary or stayed home

If that's not the case then explain why Trump's base still loves him so despite the fact that he has kept none of his promises to them. He hasn't given them any significantly lower taxes and far from giving them something better than Obamacare the only thing he's done with Healthcare is to take what they do have away, and whenever he's called on any of this he just starts bashing immigrants again. If he's not a racist/ethnicist maybe he should stop acting so much like one.

 

Firstly I would say if they were so racist why didn't they vote for white war hero John McCain against Obama? Come on, give it up, Trump supporters aren't racist, Trump wanting to enforce immigration laws and people supporting that is perfectly proper. The idea that Trump supporters are racist is a comfort blanket for his opponents who don't want to make the compromises necessary to reach out to 'flyover America' who don't share their viewpoint.

In fairness to Trump he's tried to keep virtually all of his promises and battle the courts and congress to do so.

 

I don't know how to further explain and make you understand therefore we'll just have to agree to disagree on this thread.

 

Pretty sad you have to ask. You need to do a lot of research to see if you can catch up with what's going on. For sure it's not my job to educate you.

 

No, that's you running away because you cannot substantiate your viewpoint.

 

No, that's you running away because you cannot substantiate your viewpoint.

 

Whatever

 

Many of them did vote for McCain but many didn't because McCain wasn't racist enough, so they didn't vote for anybody. How is it "perfectly proper" to deny asylum to refugees who are fleeing for their lives? How can you say that deporting people who entered legally as children, have been here for years and are now productive and law-abiding citizens is anything but racist/ethnicist?

What compromises with "flyover America" do you think are necessary?

 

And just specifically HOW is he doing all this?

 

Have the courage of your convictions.

 

So they let the black guy get in instead? Very few of the immigrants are fleeing for their lives, they're economic migrants and you deport people because they broke the law and if you gave soft treatment to everyone they'd all come.

What compromises? Understand what they want, appreciate they have a different point of view, stop calling them deplorables, stop calling them racists and reach an agreement with them.

 

They couldn't very well stop him, and they didn't think they'd win so they stayed home. Trump was the first candidate who had agreed with them totally for years.
Where is your proof that these people are not fleeing for their lives?

Stop being so vague. What do they want? How is their viewpoint different? What kind of agreement do they want to be reached?

 

(continued) The DACA people broke no law, they were given permission to stay, Why are Trump's base all for deporting them now if they've done nothing wrong?

 

We were all in favor of deporting them before, too. They are not supposed to be here.

 

Fine, you take that position if it makes you feel better.

 

They had permission to stay. Why aren't they supposed to be here?

The vast majority, more than most groups, are productive citizens who haven't done anything wrong. What do you have against them?

 

Trump is actually on par to beat Obama and maybe Bush for number of Executive Orders. In 3 years, Trump has 133 to Obama's 276 for 8 years.

But I look at electing Trump as equal to hiring a new CEO of Ford who has never built a car, doesn't like cars and doesn't like the people who build cars ... not a recipe for building good cars.

If the people who have to carry out the everyday work of running a government know that the new President has never worked in government, doesn't like government and hates the people who work for the government, then you're probably not going to end up with a very effective government.

 

-renegging trade deals that undermined our sovereignty
-refusing/reversing treaties that undermined or sovereignty
-stacking courts with constitutionalists
-trying to get us out of the endless wars in the ME
-twisting the Feds arm into giving us a leg up on China

These alone should be enough to prove to anyone that Trump is America First as he's always said, and the mortal enemy of globalism.

 

Have you looked at what Trumps executive orders do? I started googling em, the first one that popped up reversed an Obama executive order, the next one limited fedgov employee spending.

Trump is using his power of EO against the govt.

You car analogy is apt, except you forgot the part where the new CEO is brought in by shareholders who want Ford to make smaller, cheaper, simpler, more efficient, lower maintenance, less intrusive 'cars.'

You might say we want a govt of 'priuses and fiestas', as opposed to 'mustangs and f350s.' Trump is working on it, but 'Ford' really likes its 'mustangs and f350s.'

 

What is "sovereignty" how does it benefit we citizens?

Courts should be stacked with judges that give fair decisions in accordance with the law. If they're Constitutionalists so much the better.

It's always good to get out of a war but not at the cost of starting another one.

What do you mean by a "leg up" on China?

 

Permissions granted can be revoked. They are not citizens. They do compete with citizens for those productive jobs.

 

Yes they could, they could easily have voted for McCain, they're not racists, they're just the forgotten (and sneered at) America that you need to compromise with. The immigrants are not fleeing for their lives, they come in search of a better life but they should do so legally, you cannot have unfettered immigration.

What do they want? No gun control, tighter limits on abortion, the US not paying so much in for defence, tighter border control, an end to madness such as no platforming and safe spaces, lots of things.

 

Have the courage of your convictions.

 

So at the moment he hasn't exceeded Obama/Bush and his total figure will be similar? Once again, how is he any different from his predecessors?

To use your analogy, what if people were unhappy with the cars Ford was making and wanted something different?

 

Just letting in people who've done nothing more than come here so they won't starve to death is not "unfettered" immigration. The refugees ARE coming here legally, whereupon we throw them in jail and take their kids away

No gun control means you want to arm dangerous psychopaths, criminals and even recognized terrorists, that seems madness to me If you don't want to have an abortion nobody's making you have one but how is making other people have children they don't want a "compromise"? I agree totally about not spending so much in defense but we should pay our soldiers a good deal more than just enough so they're not on food stamps. Why do Trump supporters obsess on border control anyway? If what you're talking about in Platforming and safe spaces is what I think these aren't government issues. You need to realize that Facebook is basically Mark Zuckerberg's web page and go make your own if you don't like the way he runs his. I want lots of things too but I don't support an unprincipled crook to get them