Is the Trump impeachment dead?

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Is impeachmet dead?

  1. As a dodo

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  2. Very unlikely

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  3. Impossible to tell

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    11.7%
  4. It still might happen

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  5. It will happen, there MUST be something!

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    5.0%
  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    If you heard that from Mueller, then you heard something very different than I. I heard Mueller say he wasn't permitted to charge a sitting President of a crime while in office, but he COULD be charged after leaving office. I also heard Mueller say there was sufficient evidence in his report that it made it impossible for him to clear Trump of wrongdoing. That's a long, long way from Trump's (& your) contention of "no collusion; no obstruction."
     
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    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    Yes, he was just answering a procedural question, Trump could be charged once his term(s) were over as Clinton was IF sufficient evidence appears. He refused to clear Trump of wrongdoing because that's a legal impossibility. There is insufficient evidence for collusion and obstruction is impossible if there was no underlying crime. .
     
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    Its been dead. That wont stop them from rolling its rotting corpse around to make everyone sick.
     
    Thought Criminal likes this.
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Actually, obstruction IS possible whether there was an original crime or not. Obstruction is against the investigation that determines whether there was an original crime, and in my view, there was lots of obstruction.
     
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    But no factual, concrete determination of corrupt intent.
    Thus, no crime of obstruction.
     
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    If there was no crime how can you obstruct the investigation into it?
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    You see what you want to see. I can't help you.
     
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    You also cannot quote the text from the Mueller report where Mueller makes the necessary factual determination of corrupt intent.
    Thus, no crime of obstruction.
     
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    The investigation & the crime are two totally different & separate things. Trump obstructed the investigation, hoping to prevent it from finding a crime. Such actions themselves are criminal if proven. Around 800 DAs around the country stated publicly that there was enough evidence in Mueller's report for them to charge any normal person of obstruction, but Trump was protected because of his being President. To me, that's equivalent to saying Trump is above the law.
     
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    False. No such determination was made in the Mueller report.
    And, to be proven there must be a factual determination of corrupt intent, something nowhere to be found in the Mueller report.
    Fallacy: Argumentum ad populum
    Because you refuse to understand the truth.
     

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