Is the Trump impeachment dead?

Asked the Democrats they must have thought it stupid since the did not vote for impeachment or removal of Clinton.

 

The two Republican perverts made it a point to accuse Clinton of undermining the moral basis of society. All the while they were pretending to be social stalwarts. By pointing the finger they had hoped to hide their perverse ways but opened themselves up to the scrutiny that hurt their parasitic political careers. They both belong in jail.

 

I never heard either one say that, Gingrich led the impeachment because he committed multiple felonies in a federal court and federal grand jury, it had nothing to do with the sex although had Clinton any moral backbone and the Democrats and moral principles he would have resigned over Lewinsky just for the sex and where and when and with who it took place.

 

READ MUELLER, and heed what he says. Not doing so is the major symptom of man tan poisoning (that's why he doesn't put it around his eyes.)

 

No one prosecuted Bill for his affair, much like Nixon it was his obstruction of justice in the cover up.

 

But it was into an investigation that Mueller determined did not exist, how therefore could he obstruct it? That's like you accusing me of hindering your attempts to find buried treasure when there is no treasure to find.

 

We did read it, that's why we think impeachment is dead in the water. You're going to have to beat Trump at the ballot box and in order to do that you're going to have to reclaim the middle ground.

 

No problem there, Trump has just taken away the only guaranteed Health care many of the lower middle class has ever had. And then there's the tariff induced inflation more than eating up the minscule tax "cut" which most of the middle classes won't notice at all.

 

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No, it's like you trying to stop me from finding out if you had stolen treasure when I'm a cop. It doesn't matter if you're the thief or not, I can still ask questions and you're not supposed to lie to me even if the answer is inadvertently embarrassing to you for disconnected reasons. A great number of obstruction cases come from just that circumstance and just your misconception. You can't lie to policemen even if you're totally innocent, and if you do you're in trouble if you're found out.

In any case what Trump did, to fire people who were investigating him, is just so flat out illegal and unethical on so many levels that you wonder how the Congress didn't just impeach him right there. It is pretty much what they did to Nixon when he did it, but Nixon didn't have so many toadies in Congress and it was a different era, when Republicans still knew what ethics were.

 

But it's not a crime if I have no treasure! And you don't have to even talk to the police if you don't wish to. It would have been illegal for Trump to fire investigators if that was his intent but he had other reasons, rightly suspecting Mueller could not be impartial. Nixon tried to cover up the Watergate burglary, Trump had nothing to cover up.

 

I registered when I moved here from VA. They had no voter id laws at that time.

I went to the NC DMV to get a non driver ID and the jerk there told me I needed my original SS card, which after 60 years had melted.

 

Right wing Pharisees like Gingrich and Hastert were motivated by their political ambitions to prosecute Clinton. In the end, they screwed themselves. Too bad Gingrich didn't spend time in jail like Pervert, oops, I mean Hastert did.

 

The fact that you have no treasure is irrelevant. You still cannot lie to me and the only way you can refuse to talk to me is to invoke your 5th amendment protection, You cannot impede my investigation in any other way. You cannot tell your subordinates not to talk to me or to lie and they cannot invoke any protection unless they are accessory and confessed or charged as such.

Trump himself admitted that the reason he was firing people was because he did not wish the investigations to continue.

You further cannot refuse to talk to or lie to the the police if the crime under investigation is one you are not being accused of. You cannot impede an investigation by law enforcement in any way, that is obstruction.

The "appearance of impropriety" is itself an ethics violation, if not a legal one, and it is overwhelmingly blatant if you fire someone who is investigating you, whatever reason for the firing you may give.

The Mueller Report itself was at pains to make clear that it only could not make a good case against Trump for collusion and was not indicting him for obstruction only because of a memo interpretable as saying such indictment was beyond that Report's scope. It in no way exonerated him for either offense and specifically said just that in regard to obstruction.

The President's and the Republican Parties attempts at obfuscation here are a scurillous tactic, unworthy of a High Office or a respectable Political organization. Trump has disgraced himself, his party and our nation by using it. Any worthy person would have resigned by now and the Republicans defending him only disgrace themselves further by doing so.

 

Trump will be impeached by the house, but republicans will protect him in the Senate

I still want him impeached by the house so it goes on his record and future children have to learn about it and future Presidents know Trump's behavior was wrong

 

The Democrats will not impeach Trump.

 

Wrong.
"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities"
That is, there is -no- case to be made.

Nothing in the report supports this.

 

Ok....
Were did Mueller conclude Trump acted with corrupt intent to obstruct the investigation?

 

Ask the Democrats - -they believe obstruction does not rise to the level of an impeachable offense and therefore did not vote to remove Clinton.

 

This is far too subtle and complex a point for the average Democrat - but it fully explains how Trump did not commit obstruction.

 

No, it's plain wrong. There need not have been an underlying crime for obstruction of justice to be a crime. This is a fact too ideologically and politically inconvenient rather than too subtle and complex for the average Cult45 member.

 

The point I referenced:
He must have Mens Rea, a corrupt intent....

Mueller spoke to this - did you read the report?
Although the obstruction statutes do not require proof of such a crime, the absence of that evidence affects the analysis of the President’s intent and requires consideration of other possible motives for his conduct.

That is, requires consideration of something other than the corrupt intent necessary for a charge of obstruction.

As i said:
This is far too subtle and complex a point for the average Democrat - but it fully explains how Trump did not commit obstruction.

 

You can't use this to proclaim that Trump did not commit obstruction. As Mueller also said, he could not clear the president of wrong-doing and would have said otherwise if he could have.

It would be up to a court of law to explore and decide whether Trump was guilty of obstruction, but as well know, he can't be indicted and hauled into court at present because his office -- and Mitch McConnell -- protect him.

 

Did Mueller make the determination Trump acted with corrupt intent?
No. In fact, Mueller said other considerations for his motives must be considered.
Absent corrupt intent, under the law, there can be no obstruction because obstruction, by its legal definition, requires corrupt intent.

But first, it is up to a prosecutor to decide if he can prove all the parts of a crime.
Mueller decided he could not.
How is Mueller wrong?

 

Bull. You want him impeached so he can garner sympathy and call the entire thing "fake news" and get a second term. I apologize if you're an honest liberal but impeachment would be about the most bonehead thing the Dems could do right now, so they just might.

**** the future children and future Presidents. If Trump gets a second term there may be no future Presidents, they will be called "Trumps" like the Roman Emperors were called "Caesars" Make no mistake, this is an existential crisis for rule by the people in this country