1) Asian Empires invaded Europe for over 1000 years. Mongols, Huns, Ottoman, Tatars, Timurid Empire. And Persian Empire, Arab Empire, Hungarians(Magyars). Note that, Mongols killed 1/4 of the world population (whites and Asian). Mongols killed 50% of Chinese. Genghis Khan's law, Killing a Chinese = killing a donkey. European army defeated Muslim army at the gate of Vienna. Siege of Vienna - Wikipedia 2)Blacks invaded Spain for over 1000 years. Spanish were enslaved by blacks for 700 years. Moorish ruled Spain, 711-1492, 781 years. Islam in Spain , Wikipedia There were over 4 million Spanish slaves. Many Spanish slaves were sold to Africa. The ‘Golden age’ of Moorish ruled Spain- When Blacks conquered Spain, the first export was 3000 blonde Spanish virgins to the slave pens in Africa. For years the Moors demanded, and received Spanish girls for use. The Black Army which defeated Spain - 7,000 men consisting of 300 Arabs and 6,700 native Sudanese. Then more blacks arrived in Spain. They brought no women with them. Most of them married with their Spanish slaves. After Spain gained it freedom, Africans still took hundreds of thousands Spanish slaves for over 200 years (1530 to 1780). The Spanish writer, Cervantes was a slave in Algiers, he was ransomed. In the "Song of Roland", the Moors were described as "Blacker than ink with large noses and ears" and with "nothing white except the teeth." 3) Black slaves There were 300,000 black slaves in United States. Slavery in the United States, Wikipedia
The concept is not ridiculous but each of the racial groups have their own sins of the past to feel guilty about. I am a Caucasian who feels even more guilt over how we treated the First Nations peoples of North and South America. I am hopeful though that some aspects of modern para-psychology will soon alter the entire formula in some positive ways. Thank you for those good statistics on what the Mongols did..... it is kind of a consolation over the guilt of my own ancestors. What is that white guy doin in my head? (Past life regression under hypnosis).
Well of all the idiotic concepts surrounding race based on color and geography, I'd say yes. Now if you said western societal grief, then I'd say it was a legitimate concept since the more technologically advanced western culture effectively raped the rest of the world and contemporary westerners can recognize those crimes against fellow humans - you know that whole equal rights for all humans thingie.
Just a question on this subject. Which race or belief system, in it entire history, has nothing to feel guilty about? Why does it appear in these times that the only concern seems to be alleged and assigned white privilege?
"white guilt" is a bumpersticker designed to communicate a "concept" without a clear definition of what exactly is meant and used by both the left and right, mostly as a "social shaming" tool. Sensibilities change as the universe and world around us shrinks coupled with the global rise of democracies and massive increases in socially accessible wealth. When I was a kid, most of the world wasn't democratic. But your perception of these times is absolutely correct, or don't you think the focus should be on the times we live in?
Of course the perception should be on current times, but there are many who harken to times past and try to relate past problems with what we have now. I agree that is an attempt at social shaming, but used by those who are attempting to change history to gain conceived power.
I guess the biggest mistake that White Westerners made was coming up with was that "whole equal rights for all humans thingie" in the first place. Nobody else made that blunder and now they can use it as a cudgel against us. Maybe we should just ditch that notion.
white guilt isn't real guilt. or rather, it's guilt about not being guilty (enough). it's all about social posturing, and fear of losing one's 'acceptable' status.
How about we make them Mexicans feel guilty about all that human sacrifice they use to engage in? I think we should celebrate Cortes as a hero for putting an end to it. And the British who ended the Hindu practice of suttee. White people, on balance, has made the world a more humane, healthier and prosperous place. I vote for White Pride, not White Guilt. Don't let them outsiders guilt trip us.
Given we have been like every other race, historically, raping, pillaging, murdering, take land, resources, that seems to be human history, not just white history. So if one feels guilt for a universal historical reality, to me that means there is a mental problem. How can one feel guilt for doing what man has always done. It is our barbaric history. It seems to have gone away, but it is still there seething right beneath consciousness. If you can be a blind partisan, lose objectivity, rationality, it isn't too far from that primal tribal state of mind into barbarism. All it takes is a big change in environment. No need to feel guilty for reality. Might mean you are mentally sick if you do.
My first impression is that the member copied and pasted this. My first question is how long did it take the white supremacists over at Stormfront, the probable source, to create this racist propaganda? First failure - Illogical Foundation A heinous act of tyranny by one group does not provide justification for a heinous act of tyranny by another group and comparative tyranny is an invalid measurement because all tyranny is equally unacceptable. Second failure - Invalid Question White Guilt is not a concept. White Guilt is a reality. Blacks in America today are still subjected to anti-black racial prejudice by whites that results in social, economic, and political discrimination and oppression. A slight majority of all whites have expressed anti-black racial prejudice in recent studies and they are guilty. The vast majority of self-identified Republicans (79% in 2012) have expressed explicit anti-black racial prejudice and they are guilty.
Feeling guilty is a virtual sign of innocence. The people today that are guilty of racial prejudice that results in racial discrimination and oppression don't feel guilty about it. They rationalize their prejudice, the discrimination, and the oppression. They invent nonsensical terms like "reverse discrimination" so that they can feel victimized to rationalize their anti-black prejudice. If they did feel guilty they would change.
The ideology that America was founded upon. It doesn't provide any grounds for feeling guilty. Our problem isn't the American ideology. Our problem is that those seeking to retain the control of social, economic, and political institutions by White Protestant Men have been highly successful in preventing America from every achieving the American ideology.
Blacks in the United States are still discriminated against and oppressed in America because of anti-black racial prejudice so someone is guilty.
Why on earth would these elusive white racists go out of their way to target ONE specific kind of brown/black person, while ignoring others? As long as dark brown skinned Indians, brown skinned Asians, and black skinned African born people continue to thrive in America, you have precisely zero argument.
Nobody should feel guilty over actions or events they had no part of, both directly or indirectly. Black people shouldn't feel guilty about what other black people have done and white people shouldn't feel guilty over what other white people have done. You don't own the actions of others just because you might share some common traits.
I am white but I hold no guilt for what may or may not have been done by my ancestors. I also do not care if others believe like me or not so status is out the window. I am only responsible for what I actually do not what my ancestors did. I can accept the responsibility for my own racism and admit it which is more than other races do. You will not hear blacks admit they are racist against whites or Hispanics admit they are racist against any other race. I am racist, I hate all other races equally.
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion (to which few members of other civilizations were converted) but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do. --- Prof. Samuel P. Huntington ------------------------------------------------- Now, a fool can be a professor.
