Human Rights Report Israel and Palestine10 pages. Saudi Arabia 9 pages Russia 10 pages https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/world_report_download/wr2017-web.pdf
The more I look into this dude's background the better it gets. According to his bio at HRW Isn't that special. Speaking of special, this is the organization that he worked for before HRW hired him: Center for Constitutional Rights http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=6148 The Terrorists Legal Team https://capitalresearch.org/article...for-constitutional-rights-undermines-america/
Pretty much special like Lynne Stewart... I'm quite proud of my CV, but I freely admit he's got me on the studies in Islamic jurisprudence and defending jihadists.
I think it is just that the poster is, like Israel, against democracy and the expression of political opinion other than his own. Here is Kenneth Roth's background https://www.hrw.org/about/people/kenneth-roth and who runs the little site Talon linked to...you will never guess, David Horowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz_Freedom_Center Jihad Watch! The second link was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_Research_Center This thread has been had!!
I'm for democracy and freedom of thought & expression, alexa. However, that doesn't obligate me to agree with political opinions other than my own. Freedom of thought and expression works both ways. Yes, it is, and shooting the messenger doesn't refute any of the information provided in the DTN piece. If there are any inaccurate details, please feel free to point them out. Where did I cite Jihad Watch, alexa? Nowhere. Oh, dear. It looks like someone is against against the expression of political opinion other than her own.
No it doesn't mean you need to go along with political opinions which are not your own. However a democracy does allow for different opinions. One of the ways Israel is not allowing different opinions is by shutting down the thought of left wing and those looking after rights as I spoke of in post 33. Now Human Rights were considered a norm in the West until very recently. However we are now going through populist movements and one of their main things is getting people away from human rights - putting them against the other.. This, if effective, will break down the way we have lived, the ethics which we have lived with since 1945 and an ethics which was put in place to a large extent to make sure the same things as happened in WW2 do not happen again. When you claim you are interested in whether HRW is an acceptable organisation - it as been around long enough for you to know what it is in any case, but when you then give as links examples you claim show it is not when these are clearly the most biased you can get, then your credibility with me becomes zilch. ....as they say 'actions speak louder than words' and when you produce links to people who would not wanting such rights investigated that says it all. It is one of the websites done by Horowitz who is in charge of your first link. That was clear on the quote I gave. Indeed yourself.
How unfair. Muslim controlled land has always been a safe place for all to visit regardless of their race or religion. Just look at the harmony between Muslims, Christians,. and Jews in their land! How dare Israel deny entry to a Trojan horse.
I think HRW made its pretenses towards fairness and objectivity quite clear when it chose to send someone who is anything but fair and objective to Israel on its behalf. I don't know of anyone who doesn't want rights investigated, but shooting the messenger doesn't refute the content in the DTN report on the CCR. Yes, and its a website I did not cite. It's okay, alexa. I don't expect you to agree with the opinions of your ideological opponents, nor am I going to imply there's something wrong with that.
No, you are obsessed. They write reports on other countries to feign objectivity just so they can criticize Israel? Israel's not that important.
I agree with this. While the group might have good intentions it's plainly obvious they're biased towards Israel.
It's not unprecedented. The courts, for example, were systematically anti- Meyer Lansky and worked as a tool for the F.B.I.
This evidence has not been provided. If you wish to show that someone, some organisation or whatever is biased then what you need to do is provide someone/organisation which is beyond repute concerning bias. You provided a site belonging to David Horowitz Freedom Center. The Southern Poverty Law centre describes them as a Far Right organisation and a Hate group. Do you really think anyone, anywhere could for one moment suggest that your group is any any way objective. No, it is part of the long term propaganda which has brought us to the point we are at now where democracy and human rights in the US as well as in Israel are coming under threat - they have been in Israel for a long time, particularly the last few years but the US is picking up. Human Rights are one of the things which keep a check on democracy. They stop Government from having the ability to act towards us in a fascist way. Indeed that is one of the main points of them - see cultural marxism below. By choosing a far right hate group for your link and particularly not changing when this is shown to you, you illustrate that in no way are you as you were trying to suggest unbiased in the situation. HRW is one of the most respected Human Rights groups in the world. That no doubt is why you had to go to far right hate groups to try and find information against them. Really, you do not know that a fundamental message of the far right who have been working to change opinions away from democracy for a very long time is 'cultural marxism'. You have no idea what the message behind this slang is? Cultural Marxism is a crude term used to criticise the work of the Frankfurt school who after ww2 gave themselves the task of finding a way to ensure that such things as the Holocaust never happened again. Within the labelling of 'cultural Marxism', a term which comes from those of the ilk that you used to attempt to degrade HRW has been the attempt to destroy the work done by the Frankfurt school who they see as basically being responsible for such issues as Equal Rights for all, human rights and so on. Those who criticise the Frankfurt School criticised them as being Politically Correct - that is according to them Human Rights are basically politically correct. David Horowitz Freedom Center has been one of the foremost people in a war against 'political correctness' The whole intent against PC is against Human Rights. I did not read your report. Someone who chooses to give as a source to try and prove one of the most respected Human Rights Groups in the world cannot be trusted a group which is against human rights, does not even know what the word objective means https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/david-horowitz No you did not. I was trying to make things simple imagining you would have heard of Jihad Watch one of the sites included in the those of your source. You have given as your source the radical right whose intent is to destroy human rights and who deal in conspiracy theories and what not. It was just showing you back up as to the orientation of your source. David Horowitz was originally a radical leftist who got involved with the Black Panthers. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/david-horowitz It appears that the death of this woman was extremely traumatic to Horowitz making him turn against the values he held while working at the Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation and it's work on social justice, human rights and peace. He appears to have associated her death which such things as Human Rights. Sounds like some severe mental health issue. You can read more of it at the link. What this thread is about is Israel's intention to keep HRW out of Israel. This is only the latest in a long line of issues and laws against the left and human rights workers in Israel. You claiming to believe in human rights by tying yourself to an organisation which does not takes it all. You are suggesting I am not supporting your political orientation when you are using as reference an organisation whose whole intent is to destroy opposing political views including the norm on human rights which we have had while we lived as liberal democracies. Get real.
Can we have some real examples of the above please, as opposed to what resides in your imagination? So, HRW is anti-West, pro-terror and a propaganda arm of Hamas. Details please-or are you going to run away again?
Do you honestly think you're not going to be called on your idiotic assertions? https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/saudi-arabia https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/china-and-tibet I'll leave you to find the articles on the rest of the nations you mention, for yourself-if you're honest enough. Your desperate attempts at defending the indefensible are laughably easy to disabuse.
In 2009, HRW held a fundraising dinner in Saudi Arabia, using HRW’s anti-Israel bias and the specter of “pro-Israel pressure groups” to solicit funds from “prominent members of Saudi society.” At the event, Sarah Leah Whitson, Director of the Middle East and North Africa Division, boasted that HRW allegations of human rights violations were instrumental in the Goldstone mission. a 10-year, $100 million donation from billionaire George Soros beginning in 2010. Criticism from Founder Due to the organization’s failures, founder Robert Bernstein published an article in the New York Times (“Rights Watchdog, Lost in the Mideast,” October 19, 2009) strongly criticizing the organization for ignoring severe human rights violations in closed societies, for its anti-Israel bias, and for “issuing reports…that are helping those who wish to turn Israel into a pariah state.” Bernstein expanded on these ideas in a lecture at the University of Nebraska at Omaha (November 2010), and noted that, “Human Rights Watch’s attacks on almost every issue [have] become more and more hostile [toward Israel].” Key Staff Many HRW officials, including the heads of the Middle East and North Africa Division, have a history of ideological bias. During the 2014 Gaza War, director Ken Roth obsessively tweeted about the conflict. Roth’s tweets were characterized by significant levels of sarcasm, vitriol, and deep-seated hostility toward Israel. In 2009, Sarah Leah Whitson, Director of the Middle East and North Africa Division, visited Libya, claiming to have discovered a “Tripoli spring.” She praised Muammar Qaddafi’s son Seif Islam as a leading reformer and for creating an “expanded space for discussion and debate.” Whitson published a 2011 op-ed in The Huffington Post, “A Matter of Civil Rights,” abusing the legacy of the US Civil Rights Movement to single-out and advance hatred towards Israel. In the op-ed, Whitson maintained: “We do no honor to [Dr. Martin Luther] King’s legacy by supporting policies that promote racial discrimination and segregation.” Whitson also employed racial stereotyping in race-baiting American Jews, stating: “And why should American Jews, who have a history of deep engagement with the U.S. civil rights movement, support settlements built on these kinds of laws and policies in Israel?” In 2011, Kathleen Peratis, co-chair of the Advisory Committee of HRW’s Middle East and North Africa Division, visited Gaza and met with several Hamas officials. Hamas is a designated terror organization by Israel, the U.S., EU, and Canada. In her article about the visit, Peratis describes her experience exploring smuggling tunnels from Gaza into Egypt with members of Hamas. In September 2009, “senior military analyst” Marc Garlasco was revealed to be an obsessive collector of Nazi memorabilia. He was suspended and then dismissed, but his reports were not withdrawn. As shown in a Sunday Times (UK) article, “Nazi scandal engulfs Human Rights Watch” (March 28, 2010), the Garlasco issue was indicative of far deeper problems at HRW. Systematic NGO Monitor analyses demonstrate that HRW disproportionately focuses on condemnations of Israel and that publications related to Israel often lack credibility. Promotes an agenda based solely on the Palestinian narrative of victimization and Israeli aggression.Uses distorted legal rhetoric to regularly accuses Israel of “war crimes,” “erious violations of international human rights and humanitarian law,” “collective punishment,” and fostering a “culture of impunity.” Applies double standards and unique standards to Israel as part of its broader delegitimization campaign. Lobbies the United Nations, the International Criminal Court, and other international frameworks, promoting false, distorted, and unverifiable allegations against Israel. Played a major role in the creation of the eventually discredited Goldstone report and submitted numerous statements to the commission equating Israel to Hamas and falsely accusing Israel of “willfully” killing civilians. On January 19, 2016, published “Occupation Inc.” a 162-page report calling for businesses to cease operations in Israeli West Bank settlements, constituting a de-facto call for a boycott of Israel. Coinciding with HRW’s publication, Kathleen Peratis, co-chair of HRW’s Middle East North Africa Advisory Committee and emerita Board of Trustees member penned a pro-BDS article in Ha’aretz. HRW initiated a public campaign with multiple articles and lobbying of the UN, alongside Palestinian efforts, calling on FIFA to take punitive measures against Israel and “require the IFA to stop holding games inside the settlements and to stop allowing fields and halls in the settlements to be used for official competitions.” In December 2010, HRW published a report, “Separate and Unequal,” accusing Israel of discriminating against Palestinians in the West Bank on the “basis of race, ethnicity, and national origin” and similarly advancing a BDS agenda. Promotes a Palestinian “right of return,” which, if implemented, would effectually mean the elimination of Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people. HRW was an active participant in the 2001 Durban conference, which crystallized the strategy of delegitimizing Israel as “an apartheid regime” through international isolation based on the South African model. http://www.ngo-monitor.org/ngos/human_rights_watch_hrw_/
You must have missed this Talon's post too, they sent a fair and unbiased representative of the HRW to Israel, with no pre-conceived opinions..... On its website, NGO Monitor features a short video clip of Shakir speaking at the University of California at Irvine in 2010 in favor of the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement, which supporters say is designed to force Israel to end its almost 50-year military occupation and practices it compares to apartheid against Palestinians... Prior to his current role, he was ...focused on US counterterrorism policies, including legal representation of Guantanamo detainees. http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=497653&page=2&p=1067148624#post1067148624 If you can't trust Omar Shakir, to be fair to Israel, who can you trust, right?
UNRWA is the largest agency of the United Nations, employing over 30,000 staff Why do you think is that? Are the Palestinians most deserving, most numbered, most needy... most... most... They're the only people in the world who only need to declare they're the descendants of the Palestinians, who lost their homes and means of livelihood as a result of Israeli aggression, and thus perpetually receive benefits from the big heart Liberals. Right?
And where are your claims about Human Rights Watch addressed? - - - Updated - - - This thread concerns Human Rights Watch.
You feel threatened that a human rights organisation dares to challenge Israel? Sad, so sad. When Israel stops apartheid, stops being a pariah state and a parasitic leech, organisations and governments worldwide will stop the attacks. It really is very simple.
Well then- there's a good case for getting all of Palestine's displaced people back home to Palestine as fast as possible. Imagine the savings !
I feel disgusted that an uber-biased (as i proved upon your request) anti-western organization bankrolled by Soros and the Saudi royal family is masquerading as an human rights organization and I certainly refuse to pretend that they're anything other than the propaganda arm of th Islamofascist/uber-leftist alliance.
None of the above, this whole thread is a lie. Israel denied entry to one person who works for HRW. So what ? The US denied entry to Cat Stevens, so should I open a thread: The US deny entry to singers ? Fake news at its best.
