It just makes sense to manufacture in China

As someone that comes from a state that was once heavily unionized in steel and is still blue collar in areas, I realize this sentiment would get me chased out of town by a mob.

We focus too much on viewing China as a enemy, and not an important partner in global trade business needs to survive. Pipe dreams of taking manufacturing jobs from China that simply won’t come to fruition, because outsourcing is a pro, not a con in business. Less overhead, more willing to work for less, and more product pushed out every day. Let’s take something as essential as diapers as an example.

P&G has their diapers imported from China, which allows them to deliver lower prices to the consumer. Bring that back to the US, and the price will spike by a couple dollars, thus affecting new parents. Cloth is more expensive in a country like ours than in Asia (which explains why most clothing brands make clothes in Indonesia). Sounds good politically to say you will bring jobs outsourced to China back, but from a business point of view, the prospect makes no sense whatsoever. Same points for Mexico.

As much as I would prefer my Chevy be made in the US, it makes no business sense to General Motors to do so. Times have changed, and I realize it simply makes sense to manufacture elsewhere. In the 50s and 60s, demand wasn’t as high as there weren’t as many citizens in the US. That’s how it made sense to have “Made In The USA” then, but not now.

So, when a politician tells you they will bring jobs back from China, know they’re lying through their teeth. It’s not going to happen nor would it make sense for it to happen. Time to mourn the death of US manufacturing jobs and move on.

This isn’t the 80s.

 

They aren't a "partner", they are liars thieves and outlaws. It doesn't "make sense" to manufacture in China, their lies deliberately loosed a world wide pandemic, there is nothing inexpensive about manufacturing in China. They have proven to be very very expensive. This pandemic is going to cost the world MANY TRILLIONS. They already were expensive, their disdain for environmentalism is filling the world with trash, the oceans with plastics and the air with toxins, that 3 days after they blow off China's shores, they are hanging over CA.

It's terrible for our men with strong backs. They didn't "learn to code" they failed into drug addiction and alcoholism.

Sure, once used, full of ****, great example.

Mexico isn't building a military with their US trade surplus, DELIBERATELY designed to fight US forces.

And so has Detroit, once a world city, now a house sells for less than a inexpensive car and it's not safe to live there, and their Gov is a ball busting "progressive" witch.

No it doesn't, and where it does, it makes sense to source outside of Lying Outlaw China.

We have ZERO problems with inflation, and REAL problems with deflation. It makes a LOT of sense to produce here.

It already HAS happened.

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After declining for 30 years, mfg has been growing for several years now.

No it isn't. It's time to celibate America's FANTASTIC and UNBELIEVABLE REOPENING!

Dems Block House Investigation Into China’s Coronavirus Lies and Malfeasance.

It's easy to see which politicians the Chinese Communists have bought, or who are on their team for free.

Democrats blocked the Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis from investigating Lying Outlaw China’s malfeasance.​

“Coronavirus Committee Dems won’t let us investigate China’s cover-up,” House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) tweeted. “Why? – China’s lies caused global suffering & economic devastation – China undermined our efforts to combat the virus – China is reportedly trying to steal our vaccine research They must be held accountable.”

Indeed they must!

“It’s disappointing—but not surprising—that Congressional Democrats have harsher words for President Trump, rather than the Communist Chinese regime responsible for wreaking havoc against our citizens and the rest of the world,” “Republicans on the Select Committee on the Coronavirus Crisis will continue to press for answers on the origins of this crisis and accountability from the Chinese government and World Health Organization for their deception, and would urge Democrats to put their personal vendetta against President Trump aside to join us in this effort.”

The Chinese Communist Party has indeed engaged in a long train of abuses regarding the coronavirus pandemic. As the British think tank the Henry Jackson Society (HJS) put it, “From the outset, the CCP tried to censor attempts by Chinese citizens to identify and publicise the truth concerning the origins, nature and dangers of the virus. Not all of these censorship efforts succeeded, and a considerable body of independent, corroborative data came to light.”

 

I’d change the title to something more appropriate, ‘it just makes sense for corporations to manufacture in China’.

It’s an example of what is wrong with our public policy plus an expression of wrong-headed values.

Public policy should be created with all stakeholders in mind not a stakeholder.
Rather than mitigating a known transition period for stakeholders it appears they simply threw their hands up and said, “WTF“.

That’s not good public policy. At best it’s laziness. At worse it’s premeditation (favored the fall out for particular stakeholders).

 

Chinese businesses do not have to pay the same costs as American businesses. No retirement, Healthcare, unemployment...

We should reduce trade to countries who do not afford their employees the same benefits we receive here.

Same with Mexico.

Increase tariffs until those tariffs offset the monetary obligations US companies must pay.

 

Not cheaper in the long run. Trump has his faults, no doubt about it, but he does love this country and he was just what we needed to turn this economy around from the low paying service and part time economy Obama's policies gave us. Trump knew we could not remain a economic and military power with jobs like that. We were on our way to becoming a third rate country. He knew we could not remain a world military power without our manufacturing base and he went strait ahead to try and bring that back. It was our industrial base that saved our ass in WWII and Obama allowed our military to fall apart. While the Democrats have seen nothing but Russia as our problem, Trump was smart enough to know our real enemy is China. You might think you know it all, but you have much to learn. Trump came along just when we needed him most. Stupid Biden still doesn't see the threat China posses, financially and militarily. The Democrats want to cut military funding. ( What the massive US military budget pays for
www.click2houston.com/news/politics/what-the...
When President Donald Trump signed the $1.3 trillion omnibus spending bill on Friday, he approved what his administration calls the largest military budget in US history, $700 billion.( to fix the mess Obama left the military in.
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Out of 276 F/A-18 Hornet strike fighters in the Marine Corps inventory, only about 30% are ready to fly, according to statistics provided by the Corps. Similarly, only 42 of 147 heavy-lift CH-53E Super Stallion helicopters are airworthy.







China has around a 700 billion trade surplus with us. They are taking our jobs, stealing our company's secrets. Manipulating their money, buying up our factories. Anything to get an advantage over America and become the next super and economic power. When Clinton was President, China rode around on bikes and rickshaws. Today, just 20 years later, they are the leading auto manufacture in the world. Their new submarine factory can put out twice the number of nuclear subs that we can. Their Navy now has more ships than ours. They are threatening us in the South China Sea where they have built man made islands and put military bases on them. They have threatened us not to sell new planes to Taiwan, who we have a defense treaty with. Our military believes when China gets stronger than ours, they will attack Taiwan, drawing us into a war with them and China and Russia has signed a defense treaty with each other. People need to wake up and see what is going on. Hold your hate for Trump and take a look at what this man has done and trying to do. He sees the danger we face, Biden and the Democrats haven't got a clue.They don't see China as a threat at all. They are still wrapped up with Russia.

 

Devin Nunes says Dems derailed hearings on China threat in ...
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Democrats derailed a Republican-led hearing on a threat from China in favor of Russia and impeachment talk, California Republican Rep. Devin Nunes said Thursday night.
In Debates, Democrats Sounded as If China Doesn't Exist - The ...
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Aug 01, 2019 · It’s easy to see why Democrats don’t talk much about America’s political and military relationship with Beijing. Trade with China directly affects ordinary Americans. East Asian geopolitics ...

DEMOCRATS ARE CLUELESS.


Biden says China is ‘not competition for us,’ prompting ...
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May 02, 2019 · Former vice president Joe Biden on Wednesday dismissed the notion that the United States should be worried about China as a geopolitical competitor, prompting criticism from Sen.

 

This entire world economic system will be fundamentally transformed into the utopian idealized robotic mechanized machine economy once Virus 2.0 and 3.0 have wiped out about 7 billion of non essential humans per Bill Gates/Bilderberg NWO plan

 

I see you are still at it.

 

It goes even deeper than that when you consider there are thousands of US companies manufacturing in china for the Chinese market. Four times as many diapers.
We are victims of a capitalist system. Like they say, follow the money.
On a side note: I bet China didn't run out of toilet paper.

 

Yup!

Unreal.

I was completely unaware of this.

Down 18% to -345,616.7 in 2019. And down a 1/3 this year compared to same months previous year.

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html

They are dirty lying bastards, that's for sure.

China has way too much of the Left, bought. And far too many additional on the Left, have sold themselves out for free. Are you familiar with the First Island, Second Island and Third Island strategy we have for bottling up their navy and blockading their sea routes?

With our Subs to plug the holes between the Islands between Philippines, Taiwan and Japan we can contain their navy. They can't produce enough food to feed their people, nor do they have adequate domestic supplies of oil. Our Surface Ships blockading the second Island chain from Japan through the Marianas and Micronesia. Does Russia have land routes to supply them with oil? Can they import enough food over land routes? Seems like it would be smarter for them not to get stupid.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG: Chinese Troops Cross Into India, Fortify Positions.

“The United States backed India amid recent aggressive actions by the Chinese army. Ambassador Alice Wells, the senior U.S. diplomat for South and Central Asia, called Beijing’s behavior towards India provocative and disturbing.”​

Like the protestors in Hong Kong explained: "Don't Trust China, China is Ashole."

Our trade surplus with China is down 41% for the first 3 months, compared to 2018, which all but about a week was before the COVID lockdowns. A 41% decline in money from Uncle Sugar, that will put a crimp in their military budget!

If these lying thieving outlaw bastards will loose a pandemic, they are NOT cheap to trade with, in no sense of the word. Time to bring our business home where we can, and move it outside of China where we must.

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the greed of the American business man is why china is so powerful ..

American executives pay themselves MILLIONS each year for the companies they manage

the Americans don't want to just make a profit..they want a windfall

to keep paying themselves the millions every year they must have a huge profit margin for their service or products

who do you think are buying the $10-50 million dollar boats and cruiseliners??

ever watch the show shark tank??..

at least once an episode a shark recommends moving production to china to increase profit margin

how about the guy O'Leary that fancies himself business man

he is a loan shark that demands HUGE returns on his "investment" if you want to call it that

most of his offers are basically royality offers and he expects HUGE returns for loaning money

American business wants anywhere from 100 to 1000% profit margin...

China on the other hand are happy to operate on a small profit margin ..10 or 20% makes them happy ..

where does trump make his products?? ties for example..or where did he buy the steel to build his hotels??

where does his girlfriend Ivanka make her products and have 13 chinese patents??

the looney tune trumpers can bitch and whine about china ...

but the people that are responsible for China stealing our business are the same as the Trumps, they believe a modest profit margin is foolish

they think HUGE profit so they can pay themselves not just a good salary

but they pay themselves MILLIONs

 

Wow, could you shill any harder for China , and piss on the working class anymore than this?

 

I'm not up to speed with the intricacies of our trade arrangements with China or the world.

But years ago in the early 2000's, we had an incident where dogs were dying from eating a variety of different brands of dog food. Turns out that companies in china was selling "wheat glutin" and "rice protein" that was contaminated with melamine, a toxin that mimicked protein when tested.

I did a lot of research and reading at the time and what I realized is that China lacked a basic foundation of ethics within its capitalistic oriented industries from the lowest to the highest tiers.

China companies knowingly loaded up its product with melamine to fool American buyers to think it was high in protein.

And there was a booming industry of china companies collecting scrap metal to create the melamine to sell to China wheat glutin companies. These companies--who knew what they were buying, tainted the product and sold to Americans.

It wasn't a one-off type of thing.

We need to be wary of China products and Chinese trade intentions may not match USA best interests in the long run.

 

And well they should considering the issues we have so recently discovered concerning international "just in time" supply chains.

We need to emphasize "made in America" products and we'll have to learn to pay the extra money that will cost.

In the long AND the short run, we're better off

 

trump has been shilling for China and pissing on the working class his entire life.

Where does he and his girlfriend ivanka make the products they sell?? The clothes ?? Where does he buy the material and borrow the money to build his golf courses??

yet despite that he still has supporters. This is why I am convinced he has has a cult following and many of his cult are brainwashed

trump is a schill for China and pisses on the working class.

 

Unless you are interested in being China's slave you might want to reevaluate that nonsense. China's current leadership isn't interested in being anyone's partner, only in being everyone's boss.

 

And out of the other side of your head demand a living wage for a Walmart door greeter who’s entire job is to run a yellow highlighter across my receipt as I leave.

 

Unfortunately, we are at the point the working class will need more skills to survive as robots take over.

 

To keep the cost of merchandise down, we will have to settle with “Made in China” on most things. When prices are lower, customers and businesses benefit. It’s not nonsense to admit the bivouac. The whole reason globalism has been a force for good is that it’s allowed businesses to be more profitable. If the technology didn’t exist, and there was an actual path to have human beings do what robots are doing now, that would be a whole different discussion.

I’m sure there was a similar sentiment among people when robots began doing more assembly on a car over a human doing the same thing. They dealt with it, just like how we need to deal with it now.

 

Cool, why don’t we use that $700 billion to invest in AI to be on the battlefield instead of boots on the ground? Reduce the amount of people enlisted in the military, save lives, and have most military operations done from home instead of abroad. AI is where this world is headed to. But I’m not talking about China in regards to the military, it’s about manufacturing. Again, technology is the fiend taking jobs away, nit China. To return some of these jobs, you would literally have to get rid of robotic equipment companies have been investing in the past 30 years and continue to invest in.

Trump being Trump isn’t going to get China to give us aircraft. Just look at how these bully tactics backfired with North Korea. Big spectacle, and nothing came out of it. Economically, Trump is going to have to take the bullet for the economic depression we are going into now. It wasn’t asked for, nor was it a political move by the left, but it happened. Trump has also been fiscally irresponsible. First were the tax cuts that blew up the national deficit and now on top of that, you have this economic stimulus rollout that will only cost the economy more money in the long run. The harm done by Trump isn’t in the short term, it’s in the long term.

 

Maybe so, but why hasten the process.

 

Because it is happening, and if we don't get on board we will get further behind the people that did invest.

 

We don't know what the economy is going to look like post Covid 19. What we do know is that sizable chunks of the economy are never coming back. The psychological effect of this pandemic will linger long after the virus is gone. I think the hardest hit will be to entertainment. Even things not usually considered entertainment like a trip to the mall is for some entertainment, shopping or just window shopping, lunch and so on. Movies, concerts, sporting events and any other large gatherings in large venues are never going to be the same and some of those are doomed. Even the health industry has been turned upside down. A visit to the dentist is going to be a tightly controlled event, as will seeing your GP for a check up. I can't imagine what hospitals and ERs are going to do. Tourism is kaput, I don't think we'll see cruise lines operating for a very long time. The list is lengthy but I do see a future for manufacturing, this is an area where social distancing is sort of the norm already . With so much of it automated, workers are spread out and few work in tightly spaced areas. With the demise of so many service jobs there is going to be a glut of high quality candidates for manufacturing jobs and employers will have their pick of the cream of the crop. I would love to see the US return to manufacturing, to produce high quality goods and relegate the cheap goods from Asia to a very small percent of our economy. We're still an economic giant and have an abundance of resources and now an opportunity.

 

Once upon a time I thought China took those manufacturing jobs. But then one day I decided to plot manufacturing employment vs imports. It is very interesting.


The jobs were lost before the imports started to rise and somehow exports rose even with fewer workers.

 

Profit margins is why US companies took yer jobs away...It is not the Chinese fault for enjoying sweatshops and slave labor..