It just makes sense to manufacture in China

And our standard of living has suffered ever since.

 

Yes, but not the wealthy and the corporations they are the ones that sold the US workers out for more profits..

 

Sounds like you don't like capitalism. Maybe something a bit more socialist would be better for you?

 

Nothing will make sense to you until you can observe from the perspective of a company manager operating in the global marketplace. Either US companies operating in the US can compete or they cannot. And BTW; it's the US consumer who seeks lower priced products and services. US companies operating around the world are simply providing consumers what they ask for...or their other choice is close the doors...

 

Why do you suppose so-called Americans cannot compete for these jobs you mention?

 

Since when was there ever a guarantee that a worker at any level job gets to keep their job forever??

Your workers you mention in your anecdotal stories could have quit anytime they wish if they didn't like what they were asked to do. Most of the time if what you say was actually happening, those employees would know their jobs were in jeopardy and they would have been offered extra pay or other consideration to assist during the transition. And most highly performing workers are offered other jobs...companies don't simply cast aside their best workers...

 

They are business decisions all of which come with risks and rewards...no company CEO is going to do business with anyone who cannot fulfill their contracts. It's only a matter of time before China and India and others become super-powers...not 'if'. Let's hear your proposal how a US company can compete in the global marketplace without using resources from around the world?

 

I didn't say anything about using resources from around the world. I said we should stop doing business with China.

 

No one holds a gun to anyone's head and demands they accept a job for unacceptable compensation?? Every single worker decides what they wish to do! People forget or refuse to understand that people are competing for jobs and it's this supply and demand scenario that basically determines job compensation. At the business level if they can't compete then they close the doors...there is no magic bullet that will provide higher wages or less profits, etc. All unions over decades go on strike every time they desire higher compensation so why don't all of them demand $100/hour? And what happens when the cost of US labor becomes too high...more automation, more robotics, more outsourcing...

 

'China' is a large and complex entity and what's wrong with business leaders deciding how they run their business? Why do you care if GM for example outsources to China? The US is not going to 'beat' China! The US must develop quality relations with China and others...

 

We are doing poorly in the era of globalization because we do not tax the rich enough so that we can invest in American training and education so we get the good jobs that globalization produces in educated countries. Thanks GOP!

even China the manual labor is getting more expensive. I look forward to when companies go to sub-Saharan Africa for cheap labor. everything that is wrong in the world is far as I'm concerned it's because the GOP are a bunch of lying scumbags and misinformed voters... Keep protecting greedy idiot GOP billionaires.... Our infrastructure and middle-class have gone to hell the last 30 years since Reagan made the top rate 28%. Google the only tax graph you need to know. Google fact left the demise of the middle class.

 

How about just something a bit more intelligent? Every other modern country has cheap education and training. Here we sell each other hamburgers and life insurance. There are six million tech jobs going begging. Great job!

 

Well he's simply reflecting the typical establishment position; economic integration with China is both good and inevitable. You will be assimilated...

I think we do have a chance to turn this around and begin economically disengaging from China, but of course, that all goes out the window if Biden wins.

 

Thank you for that pamphlet trade talk from the CEO's lounge. The reason we have so many illegals is to keep wages down, and yes workers do have a gun pointed at their head when they are forced to take lower paying jobs or lose the house, the car or the wife and kids.....twenty million illegals, and thousands of labor brought in from foriegn nations that are allowed by our govt. and you want to tell me it's the unions which represent less than 7% of the workforce that is the problem.Most states are right to work states and do not allow unions to process dues from members.Police and firemen have unions also yet they are tolerated by politicians since they provide their protection so they let them have what they want.

 

It isn't going to happen even if Trump gets re elected the capitalist like their money more than they like American workers.

 

I care because China is our primary enemy. China is trying to replace the U.S. as the power center of the planet. China cheats. China will eventually nationalize those outsourced operations. Businesses can do what they like, But government is in charge of international relations.

We should develop good relations with countries other than China, Iran, North Korea and probably Cuba. These are countries working to hurt us. Helping them is beyond stupid. There are many more friendly countries with low labor costs. Let's turn them in our China.

 

what a crock of BS..

of course no one holds a gun to the head of workers....

it is not necessary

Hunger is more powerful than any weapon

and the human instinct for clothing and shelter also comes into play

everybody wants to sleep warm and safe


there is only ONE group of employees that consider themselves fairly compensated

this is the group of people that decide what they should pay themselves

the group knocking down millions a year are doing fine..

and who decides they should earn millions??

they decide themselves the amount of their own salary and bonuses are each year


being a salaried worker many years of my life I never felt I was getting paid enough

but the desire for food shelter and clothing kept me going to work

and being a small business owner, I could never pay the employees what they wanted

that is just the way life is for the blue collar worker

but as a business owner I did not pay myself millions while starving my employees

if I could not afford to pay a person then I would not hire them

 

I find your comment confusing. One of the major issues of disagreement on this forum is between left leaning and libertarian leaning people who support as much free trade with China as we can get, and oppose any effort by Trump to wrangle that under control.

So are you saying that:

Trump has done nothing to change trade with China and neither will the Democrats?

Trump has done damage to China-US trade so he needs to be replaced by a Democrat?

 

I can't respond to your 100% diatribe and falsehoods...

 

China IS NOT a primary enemy of the US??

China IS NOT trying to replace the US or anyone??

China cheats...as if the US does not cheat?

China is 1.3 billion people, about 1/5th of the world's population and consumers, and the only prudent thing to do is work with China and others in win-win scenarios.

This is not solely about labor costs. China happens to have lots of qualified labor, facilities and equipment, with heavy investments in their high-tech industries. Your 'other' nations cannot provide this...

 

All diatribe and no substance...

 

Denial much? You support China blindly because Trump doesn't. Get over it.

 

Millions of Americans spent thousands of dollars each trying to save their pets from the Chinese poison according to one of my neighbors who teaches animal law at one of the nearby universities. She's a retired military lawyer.

Don't get me started on good for nothing Chinese sheet rock.

 

Surely you have mistaken me for some who cares what you think.

 

Typical BS...when some don't have anything to say other than diatribe you resort to personal attacks...it would be great for the US if more of you could have open-minded discussions sans politics and ignorance...