It just makes sense to manufacture in China

What are your thoughts on automation?

 

Plus the fact that China is not an honest player. They cheat with their monetary system and they steal intellectual property.

Why in the world would anyone want to reward this behavior, other than to participate in flagrant acts of greed.

 

That it will either impoverish Americans or force us to bring back jobs that still use humans for production.

It will implode capitalism because no one can earn the money to buy what the machines make.

And we will have to have ubi or politicians and the elites will be killed by starving people.

Capitalism commits suicide. And then we institute what our founders gave us once the light bulb comes on.

 

I wouldn't say 'give', exactly. Just like Americans wanting low priced products, they like to pay the lowest possible wages. Illegals will work for those low wages - not Americans. So, either accept that, or go after those who are hiring the illegals in the first place. Its an interesting argument - saying that illegals are taking jobs from Americans, when it is Americans who are hiring the illegals.

 

If I am an American and fire my staff and hire illegal labor I am allowing illegals to take American jobs. But sometimes cheaper ain't better especially in skilled trades.

 

So when the light comes on we will become isolationists?

 

So it's either ship value added jobs to slave labor or we are isolationists?

I call BS.

We would move back to what the founders put into place given what it created here before the few screwed over the people here. And disemboweled the people.

 

Know why its more expensive to manufacture in the US than in China? Because the US outlawed child labor almost a hundred years ago. China hasn't. China also deliberately keeps many of its citizens poor. And poor people trying to feed a family will work for pennies a day if necessary.

 

So it's either ship value added jobs to slave labor or we are isolationists?

I call BS.

We would move back to what the founders put into place given what it created here before the few screwed over the people here. And
disemboweled the people.
Capitalism can serve the best interest of our people or it can be used to destroy us so a few can become richer and more powerful.

 

who care's if something costs more, at least American's didn't have to get screwed out of jobs to sell that product

 

Well lets see.
You don't want to allow cheaper goods from outside the country and I would hope you know that if the US had to manufacture everything it used to build things, those things would not be competitive in the world market.
So yeah, an isolationist.

 

Well the price of a cell phone is more important than the economic health and security of our non elites.

At least to the idiots. So keep disemboweling until the middle is miniscule and we have a 3rd world **** hole. And us killing the elites. History is a harsh mistress for we learned nothing from it.

 

Yeah, then they could look at it in the store window and wish they could afford to buy it.

 

That's a double-edged sword.

 

Protecting your own people is paramount and moral.

**** the world market and take care of our majority instead of structuring our economy to only enrich a few.

For that is the choice.

Everyone outside of the US wanted to use our consumer markets. We didn't become what we once were by depending on exports but servicing our own market using our own people. When we did that we were in such better shape even if we only created millionaires instead of billionaires.

Basic greed of the few has destroyed what this country once was. Because people like you have been brainwashed by a few at the top. You think we must compete with slave labor or we implode. Yet we never used to do that and when we didn't the people here prospered. Not like we don't have the history to show us the best way to use capitalism. And globalism would not have created the America of the American dream or history's largest middle class. That is why our founders used tariffs. Globalism is not in the interest of any average American. What has happened to our people since both parties changed our economy is all of the evidence any mind should need.

 

How in the hell did we survive when we used our own people to provide our consumption ?

When TV sets were made here they were expensive. So we financed them. And they were designed to be repaired instead of buying a new one.

Not only did that provide living wages to our own people but it employed engineers. And without all of these various engineers Germany might have won ww2.

The founders were much smarter than the greedy globalists. And much smarter than Americans today.

This deal of we either offshore living wage jobs or we are isolationist is one huge lie created by stupidity.

 

They did buy it. Some saved up for it others financed it. But they had jobs that allowed that. Plus those jobs allowed people to buy homes. And educate their kids without putting the kids in great debt.

The cheapest widget when it disembowels our nation is careless and irresponsible.

 

You use tariffs to employ our own people. Just admit these people have no value and be done with it.

Before globalism we still exported. But we did destroy our own people and impoverish them. We have always traded. We just refused to destroy our own people by forcing them to compete with the poor of the world

We have always traded so enough if your BS. Our pre Reagan two parties would never disembowel our own people using globalism . To max out wealth for a few.

Tariffs are not isolationism. They protect us from the exploitation of the world's poor by other elites.

Admit it. You want sweatshops so your widget will be cheaper. And if it destroys our own workers so what? They are beneath you so **** em.

 

Rising costs caused people to rely on credit. That only works for so long.

Planned obsolescence is like the AMA...they are in the business of creating repeat "customers".

The Founders were working with an internal infrastructure that supported domestic development. That is not the case now and demands have increased the need for global manufacturing (replaced people with machines in the industrial age).

With that said, how do we move forward to make this a reality? We cannot change the past so where do we go from here?

 

If you allow our jobs to be off shored to max out profits they will be gone.

And if you allow our business to hire illegals to make more profit that will happen.

When capitalism no longer is used to provide living wages but only to benefit a few you get what we have today. But that tears a nation apart.

I just wish we hurry up and have the next revolution that takes control back from sociopath elites and their bribed politicians. Generally they end up getting killed.

Then put back into place the protection put into place by our founders so we once again employ our own people to provide what we need.

 

America is one of the few countries that could be self sufficient. But it would leave everyone poorer. Most people don't want that.

 

American workers plus automation can supply our demand in consumption. As it once did.

The actual choice is we can employ our own people or not. Which choice is optimum for our people.? Which choice creates good jobs for us or employs the poor from commie nations that are exploited along with environmental damage?

The system our founders gave us worked. For all of us . Moving back to this is the only way forward because the outcome was better than evil globalism that serves only the greedy.

Trading should be done with other nations that don't exploit their poor for profit. Put ethics and morality back into capitalism as you use capitalism to provide living wages for our people and to make our people prosperous and more secure. Instead if using it to only benefit a few of us.

Or we can wait for our own non elites to take back capitalism so it serves us instead of only the elites. But that will be bloody. And it may destroy capitalism which I am not for.

The path we are on cannot be sustained. We have been here prior in the 30s. Wrenching the power back from the elites and them settling for not maxing out profits by the use of sweatshops overseas must happen. We need another FDR to save capitalists from their excesses . For the current form of capitalism destroys itself. That is self evident IMO.


Look I owned a small manufacturing business most of my life. I paid middle class wages and was middle class as well. My competitors didn't pay middle class wages but working poor wages but lived high on the hog themselves..Yet my business was never in trouble. So when people tell me my business model does not work I know they are stupid or damned liars.

The same applies to our new economy that disembowels our own people. Natural law didn't give us the scheme of slave labor globalism , it was a nefarious choice . To minimize wages of workers worldwide including America to benefit the elites.Throw in legal and illegal immigrant cheaper labor and you disembowel our own people.

This scheme is utterly immoral. And destructive. Look at what it has done to our own people.

 

With that said, how do we move forward to make this a reality?

 

So we impoverish our own so the poor of the world get to work by force in sweatshops?

This is what some Americans want so their smart phones can be replaced when the new ones come out?

Truth is even the loving left want to exploit the poor in sweatshops so their widgets are cheaper ..And they could not care less about their fellow Americans.

These changes happened when the DP stopped looking out for working people and greased up their dongs to shove it up the arse of average Americans as they joined in with the GOP who never gave a crap about average Americans and their survival.

 

It requires a change in DC. Without FDR the largest middle class in history would never have happened and without our founders putting America first it would have never happened.

The globalists have to be purged so that our capitalism serves our people and not just a few.

For the truth is simple. Every job that we have is either in manufacturing or the service sector. We have to have both in order for our own people to have jobs to survive. And a service sector economy is a working poor economy. Not enough value added.

So common sense says if we don't make what we consume we got trouble. We must use our own to make our consumption. Or we disembowel our people. The founders knew this.

Each nations people would be better off if they made their own consumption. For that gives some security and provides enough in wages to live on without welfare. Trade then goes back to what it once was. If you want French wine we import it. And if you want an American product you buy it from America even if it cost more. That system worked for our business and protected them and workers from sweatshop labor that exploits the poor to enrich the rich.